Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

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noted :)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:54 (two years ago) link

Might as well start with Casino, yeah -- kick it off with the whole shebang. Live and Let Die is *really* fucked up, I'd almost say skip it -- when the racism is just one of the problems with it, well, there you go. (Similarly, Dr No is extremely hard going.) But Moonraker continues things from there well enough.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:03 (two years ago) link

imo the man with the golden gun is more racist than live and let die, which is buoyed considerably by its blaxploitation vibe and in which the racist white sheriff is a long punchline. said racist white sheriff becomes a goofy but lovable racist sidekick in golden gun

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:09 (two years ago) link

oh fuck you're talking about the books, sorry lol

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (two years ago) link

the books are super fucked up

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (two years ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, let's not confuse our mediums here.

I will say that whenever people complained about how they changed things from the books, not only was it in many cases for the better, but in one case -- The Spy Who Loved Me -- Fleming explicitly laid down a condition that if an adaptation was made the only thing that could be used was the title, nothing else. So they just remade You Only Live Twice and made Moore's best 70s Bond film as a result.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:29 (two years ago) link

why the condition for just the one book?

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:33 (two years ago) link

Due to its poor critical reception at the time -- also it's a very atypical book in all compared to the rest: first person narration, the 'me' being a woman who Bond eventually rescues. He doesn't show up until more than half way through it, IIRC!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:52 (two years ago) link

It's a fun book if you're interested in a peak at Fleming's weird ideas, and well-written as usual. But yeah, very skippable. The movie's fun - maybe the only 100% successful Moore movie - but I don't consider it an "improvement" as it's effectively a different story with the same title. Goldfinger, otoh, seems to have been written by someone who understood exactly what was wrong with the book and how to fix it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (two years ago) link

(peek, sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (two years ago) link

Goldfinger screenplay co-written by an interesting writer and critic called Paul Dehn, who also wrote the screenplay for the The Spy Who Came in From the Cold and a number of the Planet of the Apes movies(as well as the lyrics to the faux folk song 'O Willow Waly' that features in the film The Innocents). Dehn's long-term partner was James Bernard, who wrote the music for most of the classic Hammer horrors.

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:33 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

Ugh.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

Cilliam Murphy is....

Bond

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:31 (one year ago) link

I'm gonna call it and say Danny Boyle will make a Bond movie that'll be better than the last three.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

yeah i am willing to roll the dice with Boyle.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

Boyle I think is good with dynamic action, the problem with Mendes was while he made everything look like a painting, his compositions I thought were a bit too "big" if that makes sense and for all the movement within the frames everything seemed very inert in a lot of ways bc he went oversized. I can't put my finger on it precisely idk. He wanted to do elegant vv pretty action and it was just DOA. He was trying to achieve the same end result as Bird and McQuarrie did with MI 4 and 5 and it just didn't work. Boyle I trust to actually achieve something a bit more in keeping with what Martin Campbell did in Casino Royale.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:04 (one year ago) link

I agree with what you said about Mendes, but obviously John Logan was a major problem as well. The villains in the last two Bonds were shite, the plots messy, tonally they were all over the place, a mix of the blunt killer Bond of CR and QOS with silly Q-teasing Bond, featuring the old Bond cars and the old Bond cliches and the old Moneypenny (sort of).

Logan's gone, thankfully. Not sure if Purvis & Wade are working with Boyle and Hodge or if we get the first Bond since Tomorrow Never Dies not co-written by the pair.

abcfsk, Friday, 16 March 2018 08:57 (one year ago) link

Yeah definitely can't take away from John Logan's influence, I think there's a balance the best Bonds achieve between serious business and casual humor that the last couple especially failed at. They were trying to be very impressive and they were also the most glaring examples of a perfectly decent franchise trying to Dark Knight things up a bit. Okay the Cumberbatch Star Trek was probably worse actually.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Well, well

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (one year ago) link

Time to stop making auteur wishlists for the Bond director gig.. The Broccolis will always want to ghost direct!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:38 (one year ago) link

there goes their shot at making this at least quasi interesting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

Thought the revive would be about the rumours that Idris Elba is lined up to play Bond.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:57 (one year ago) link

More interesting than the director is whether the script goes ahead without Purvis & Wade as planned

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:58 (one year ago) link

God, please

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 20:12 (one year ago) link

Danny Boyle would've made a fun Bond sure but I do still look forward to Ken Loach's take on the iconic spy

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) August 22, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 18:58 (one year ago) link

Loach, Gareth Evans or Joanna Hogg, all fine by me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:03 (one year ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:05 (one year ago) link

Don't know if Craig has any sway but as they worked on Logan Lucky together I wouldn't rule it out.

FWIW would love to see what Paul Verhoeven would do with it.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:13 (one year ago) link

james gunn’s available iirc

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:18 (one year ago) link

Albert Brooks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:21 (one year ago) link

Brad Bird

omar little, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:26 (one year ago) link

i was gonna say it's a little redundant but basically any m:i director not named jj abrams would've prob made a good bond film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:35 (one year ago) link

Verhoeven doing a PG-13 action film would be a waste.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:42 (one year ago) link

omar otm

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:45 (one year ago) link

Based on how well the fight scenes were staged in the last WHAS, I'd go for David Wain

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:25 (one year ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

https://resizing.flixster.com/Kngkfhcif-r24cJqI7_IaokXdHE=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3MzcwNjtqOzE3ODU5OzEyMDA7ODAwOzEyMDA

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:37 (one year ago) link

Just get a good cinematographer and stunt coordinator and a journeyman director.

abcfsk, Thursday, 23 August 2018 07:12 (one year ago) link

that’s irrelevant unless the atrocious writers are replaced as you said before!

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:16 (one year ago) link

like, Boyle & Hodge wld have been meat & potatoes, but Skyfall was watery gruel with plaster in it & Spectre was a greasy turd with a paper umbrella stuck in it at a jaunty angle

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:19 (one year ago) link

still get angry when I think about Spectre.

maybe this is naive but I don't understand why you'd spend millions making a movie and not go to the trouble of making sure your screenplay isn't total garbage, how hard can it be?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:32 (one year ago) link

bond movies are copyright-maintenance exercises where the scripts are product ads strung together with action setpieces

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:47 (one year ago) link

why bother thinking to hard about the scripts when showcasing jaguar and patek philippe or whatever is much more important

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:48 (one year ago) link

yes, sure, but is it actively more expensive/time-consuming to have a not shit script?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:59 (one year ago) link

well, at the very least you gotta find a decent writer who wants to do it, can do it for the budget the broccolis are willing to pay, and is available to turn in a final draft for the date they need to hit in order to meet their release date, so it probably is, yeah!

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 09:09 (one year ago) link

the problem with the last pair in particular was the sense that they really wanted to make critically approved action masterpieces as opposed to making great Bond films. So they made them ponderous and weighty and full of all kinds of Nolan hand-me-downs w/r/t motivation and "the past haunting the present" and all that bullshit.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:48 (one year ago) link

Quantum of Solace for all its faults was less a disaster than it was more of a throwback to the more mediocre (and yet still entertaining) Connery/Moore Bond films.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:51 (one year ago) link

quantum is gorgeously filmed except for the action sequences which are nonsense. it v rapidly evaporates from memory but i really enjoy it when it's on

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (one year ago) link

skyfall and spectre both suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (one year ago) link

i have probably posted both of those opinions 10000x before

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:56 (one year ago) link

Nice Freudian slip there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:05 (two months ago) link

Also we got synopsis:

In No Time To Die, Bond has left active service and is enjoying a tranquil life in Jamaica. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.

Mysterio er wait.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:08 (two months ago) link

wired: casting Phoebe Waller-Bridge as the fist Bond girl to peg Bond

BOND: Did she say I have a big asshole!?!?

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:18 (two months ago) link

Nice Freudian slip there.

oh there was no slip involved

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 17:54 (two months ago) link

felix leiter again huh. the most boring bond character.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:14 (two months ago) link

leiter is good...

for feeding to a shark

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:16 (two months ago) link

How many times has Leiter died or been horribly maimed in the Bond series?

omar little, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:20 (two months ago) link

maimed in licence to kill. never killed. i looked this up even before your post.

adam the (abanana), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:48 (two months ago) link

Craig even looks like he can't be bothered in that 2-second promo clip

Number None, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 18:49 (two months ago) link

I like this daft film title

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:52 (two months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqDwqdSF6Ec

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:06 (two months ago) link

felix leiter again huh. the most boring bond character.

― adam the (abanana)

But Jeffrey Wright is good.

chap, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:39 (two months ago) link

Wasn’t D. Craig supposed to quit the role like 2 Bond movies ago !?

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 1 September 2019 07:02 (two months ago) link

After his second one?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 07:45 (two months ago) link

Eheh ok maybe one movie ago !
Wasn’t he supposed to quit before the previous one ? So with this one that would be 2 movies after he was supposed to leave.
Anyway, it seems like his successor has been discussed for years.

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 1 September 2019 07:49 (two months ago) link

that's just part of being Bond or Doctor Who, ppl are always fantasy casting the next one as soon as the current one is announced

this has probably been amplified in Craig's case bcz iirc his Bond goes rogue and quits MI5 in every single movie, hence incel dipshits losing their minds over a lady temporarily having his locker number at the start of the next one

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 07:55 (two months ago) link

Oh ok. I thought he had made an announcement or something.

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 1 September 2019 07:56 (two months ago) link

He was contracted for four films. Four days after the last one wrapped an eight-month shoot, while hungover first thing in the morning, he was asked if he was thinking about the next one at that moment:

Now? I’d rather break this glass and slash my wrists. No, not at the moment. Not at all. That’s fine. I’m over it at the moment. We’re done. ...For at least a year or two, I just don’t want to think about it.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 08:32 (two months ago) link

aka every comment Robert Smith has ever made about the current tour being the last one.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 September 2019 15:32 (two months ago) link

robert smith for bond or gtfo

Gareth Jones, Godzilla’s assistant (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 1 September 2019 15:35 (two months ago) link

BOND #26: CUT HERE

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 September 2019 15:43 (two months ago) link

Ahah yeah R. Smith could be an interesting ott dark Bond. A lot of CGI action scenes to be planned !

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 1 September 2019 16:03 (two months ago) link

BOND #27: A NIGHT LIKE THIS

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:22 (two months ago) link

BOND: Do you expect me to cry?
GOLDFINGER: No.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:24 (two months ago) link

Bond Girl Elise Inmypantz

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:34 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

sting AND jack savoretti? wow pls stop you're spoiling us

Teaser Poster and Trailer for #NoTimeToDie are finished and about to be revealed to the world. Sting and Jack Savoretti in final talks to sing the theme-tune for the movie. pic.twitter.com/NCp6pdOfhK

— Marcos Kontze (@marketto007) September 26, 2019

one month passes...

Hollywood Liberalism is making environmentalists or Occupy or Antifa the villain instead of a Koch Brother because the Koch Brother would be too obvious and the other one is more narratively interesting but also you hate the Lefty activist for reasons you can't articulate https://t.co/E4e8CkPHrK

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) October 27, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 October 2019 13:52 (two weeks ago) link

Bond absolutely would have voted Leave.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 28 October 2019 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

Bond felt what almost amounted to contempt for the neverending wrangling of the politicians, media and public over the European Union. He knew the real events that governed the world took place beneath the surface, in another world, a world that few would see until it erupted onto their screens as an unexpected war, a politician’s disappearance, or the downing of a plane. A hapless or intrepid journalist might stumble on the edges of it, and wash up dead a week later on the shores of the South China Seas, in a Balkan ghetto, or in a rented room in Paddington. This wasn’t something controlled by public debate and rotten politicians. Behind those events were dangerous men. Shadowy, capricious gamblers who held the world’s fate between their thumb and forefinger. And in five minutes one of them was going to walk into the St James’ club where Bond was drinking a scotch and water, and ask if he had a light.

imo.

Fizzles, Monday, 28 October 2019 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

v good

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 28 October 2019 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

x post BrahhhVOE, old man!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 28 October 2019 20:22 (two weeks ago) link

Well done!

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 03:51 (two weeks ago) link

ha, thanks - i just wanted to play out a hunch that Fleming wdve written Bond as outside grubby politics and slightly contemptuous of it all. Fleming himself - an Empire figure, and like many people of his age were they still around - would have been Brexit. And the silly patriotic eyebrow-ironically-raised bombast of the recent films is of course v brexity.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 06:26 (two weeks ago) link


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