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All I want to know is what does this mean for my James Bond theme park

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:54 (one year ago) link

A period take on Moonraker (the book) would be great, I think. I'd watch it anyway.

Yeah I've long thought this. A 50s Bond TV series directly adapting the books, and basically portraying Bond as the monster he is. Anyway the book Moonraker has my favorite Fleming sequence, the extended club/dining/gambling bit near the front.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:04 (one year ago) link

gonna be a movie where Bond is mind-controlled using some kind of serum and does things like shoot Wimpy's employees and blow up politician's vehicles and then he manages to break free of the spell and realizes all the people he's killed and vows revenge against the mastermind, Spanish Flye

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:12 (one year ago) link

Xpost - Yes, amazing scene, and it's great spending all that time with M. I much prefer their relationship in the books - much less antagonistic and exposition-y.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:29 (one year ago) link

MGM's sole reason to exist is to sell the rights to Bond movies.. they should sell so they can put themselves out of their misery

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:31 (one year ago) link

xpost -- It's a great portrayal of a quietly nervous mindset about the future, on top of it being an entertainment.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:32 (one year ago) link

True! I only started reading the Bond books a couple years ago, and was very pleasantly surprised by how beautifully written and thoughtful they are (while still being totally weird, fun and lurid). .

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:42 (one year ago) link

i have been thinking about giving the books a go myself

maybe this year is my year...

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:45 (one year ago) link

MGM's sole reason to exist is to sell the rights to Bond movies.. they should sell so they can put themselves out of their misery

Steven Bach reckoned in Final Cut that owning Bond (and getting a distribution arm they ultimately couldn't use for a few years) was why MGM pounced on United Artists after Heaven's Gate crashed the company.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:49 (one year ago) link

Xpost - They're really good! I'd try Casino Royale or Moonraker to start. Avoid Goldfinger - it's the only one where the movie is better. And has too much golf.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:52 (one year ago) link

noted :)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:54 (one year ago) link

Might as well start with Casino, yeah -- kick it off with the whole shebang. Live and Let Die is *really* fucked up, I'd almost say skip it -- when the racism is just one of the problems with it, well, there you go. (Similarly, Dr No is extremely hard going.) But Moonraker continues things from there well enough.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:03 (one year ago) link

imo the man with the golden gun is more racist than live and let die, which is buoyed considerably by its blaxploitation vibe and in which the racist white sheriff is a long punchline. said racist white sheriff becomes a goofy but lovable racist sidekick in golden gun

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:09 (one year ago) link

oh fuck you're talking about the books, sorry lol

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (one year ago) link

the books are super fucked up

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:11 (one year ago) link

Yeah I was about to say, let's not confuse our mediums here.

I will say that whenever people complained about how they changed things from the books, not only was it in many cases for the better, but in one case -- The Spy Who Loved Me -- Fleming explicitly laid down a condition that if an adaptation was made the only thing that could be used was the title, nothing else. So they just remade You Only Live Twice and made Moore's best 70s Bond film as a result.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:29 (one year ago) link

why the condition for just the one book?

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:33 (one year ago) link

Due to its poor critical reception at the time -- also it's a very atypical book in all compared to the rest: first person narration, the 'me' being a woman who Bond eventually rescues. He doesn't show up until more than half way through it, IIRC!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:52 (one year ago) link

It's a fun book if you're interested in a peak at Fleming's weird ideas, and well-written as usual. But yeah, very skippable. The movie's fun - maybe the only 100% successful Moore movie - but I don't consider it an "improvement" as it's effectively a different story with the same title. Goldfinger, otoh, seems to have been written by someone who understood exactly what was wrong with the book and how to fix it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (one year ago) link

(peek, sorry)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:34 (one year ago) link

Goldfinger screenplay co-written by an interesting writer and critic called Paul Dehn, who also wrote the screenplay for the The Spy Who Came in From the Cold and a number of the Planet of the Apes movies(as well as the lyrics to the faux folk song 'O Willow Waly' that features in the film The Innocents). Dehn's long-term partner was James Bernard, who wrote the music for most of the classic Hammer horrors.

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:33 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

Ugh.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 March 2018 19:14 (one year ago) link

Cilliam Murphy is....

Bond

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:31 (one year ago) link

I'm gonna call it and say Danny Boyle will make a Bond movie that'll be better than the last three.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

yeah i am willing to roll the dice with Boyle.

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:50 (one year ago) link

Boyle I think is good with dynamic action, the problem with Mendes was while he made everything look like a painting, his compositions I thought were a bit too "big" if that makes sense and for all the movement within the frames everything seemed very inert in a lot of ways bc he went oversized. I can't put my finger on it precisely idk. He wanted to do elegant vv pretty action and it was just DOA. He was trying to achieve the same end result as Bird and McQuarrie did with MI 4 and 5 and it just didn't work. Boyle I trust to actually achieve something a bit more in keeping with what Martin Campbell did in Casino Royale.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:04 (one year ago) link

I agree with what you said about Mendes, but obviously John Logan was a major problem as well. The villains in the last two Bonds were shite, the plots messy, tonally they were all over the place, a mix of the blunt killer Bond of CR and QOS with silly Q-teasing Bond, featuring the old Bond cars and the old Bond cliches and the old Moneypenny (sort of).

Logan's gone, thankfully. Not sure if Purvis & Wade are working with Boyle and Hodge or if we get the first Bond since Tomorrow Never Dies not co-written by the pair.

abcfsk, Friday, 16 March 2018 08:57 (one year ago) link

Yeah definitely can't take away from John Logan's influence, I think there's a balance the best Bonds achieve between serious business and casual humor that the last couple especially failed at. They were trying to be very impressive and they were also the most glaring examples of a perfectly decent franchise trying to Dark Knight things up a bit. Okay the Cumberbatch Star Trek was probably worse actually.

omar little, Friday, 16 March 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Well, well

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-danny-boyle-exits-1202911993/

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:10 (eleven months ago) link

Time to stop making auteur wishlists for the Bond director gig.. The Broccolis will always want to ghost direct!

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:38 (eleven months ago) link

there goes their shot at making this at least quasi interesting

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:39 (eleven months ago) link

Thought the revive would be about the rumours that Idris Elba is lined up to play Bond.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:57 (eleven months ago) link

More interesting than the director is whether the script goes ahead without Purvis & Wade as planned

abcfsk, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 19:58 (eleven months ago) link

God, please

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 20:12 (eleven months ago) link

Danny Boyle would've made a fun Bond sure but I do still look forward to Ken Loach's take on the iconic spy

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) August 22, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 18:58 (eleven months ago) link

Loach, Gareth Evans or Joanna Hogg, all fine by me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:03 (eleven months ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:05 (eleven months ago) link

Don't know if Craig has any sway but as they worked on Logan Lucky together I wouldn't rule it out.

FWIW would love to see what Paul Verhoeven would do with it.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:13 (eleven months ago) link

james gunn’s available iirc

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:18 (eleven months ago) link

Albert Brooks

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:21 (eleven months ago) link

Brad Bird

omar little, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:26 (eleven months ago) link

i was gonna say it's a little redundant but basically any m:i director not named jj abrams would've prob made a good bond film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:35 (eleven months ago) link

Verhoeven doing a PG-13 action film would be a waste.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:42 (eleven months ago) link

omar otm

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:45 (eleven months ago) link

Based on how well the fight scenes were staged in the last WHAS, I'd go for David Wain

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:25 (eleven months ago) link

i know this never will happen and never would've happened but i would've liked to see a soderbergh bond

https://resizing.flixster.com/Kngkfhcif-r24cJqI7_IaokXdHE=/206x305/v1.bTsxMTE3MzcwNjtqOzE3ODU5OzEyMDA7ODAwOzEyMDA

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:37 (eleven months ago) link

Just get a good cinematographer and stunt coordinator and a journeyman director.

abcfsk, Thursday, 23 August 2018 07:12 (eleven months ago) link

that’s irrelevant unless the atrocious writers are replaced as you said before!

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:16 (eleven months ago) link

like, Boyle & Hodge wld have been meat & potatoes, but Skyfall was watery gruel with plaster in it & Spectre was a greasy turd with a paper umbrella stuck in it at a jaunty angle

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:19 (eleven months ago) link

still get angry when I think about Spectre.

maybe this is naive but I don't understand why you'd spend millions making a movie and not go to the trouble of making sure your screenplay isn't total garbage, how hard can it be?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:32 (eleven months ago) link

bond movies are copyright-maintenance exercises where the scripts are product ads strung together with action setpieces

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:47 (eleven months ago) link

why bother thinking to hard about the scripts when showcasing jaguar and patek philippe or whatever is much more important

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:48 (eleven months ago) link

yes, sure, but is it actively more expensive/time-consuming to have a not shit script?

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 August 2018 08:59 (eleven months ago) link

well, at the very least you gotta find a decent writer who wants to do it, can do it for the budget the broccolis are willing to pay, and is available to turn in a final draft for the date they need to hit in order to meet their release date, so it probably is, yeah!

ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 August 2018 09:09 (eleven months ago) link

the problem with the last pair in particular was the sense that they really wanted to make critically approved action masterpieces as opposed to making great Bond films. So they made them ponderous and weighty and full of all kinds of Nolan hand-me-downs w/r/t motivation and "the past haunting the present" and all that bullshit.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:48 (eleven months ago) link

Quantum of Solace for all its faults was less a disaster than it was more of a throwback to the more mediocre (and yet still entertaining) Connery/Moore Bond films.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:51 (eleven months ago) link

quantum is gorgeously filmed except for the action sequences which are nonsense. it v rapidly evaporates from memory but i really enjoy it when it's on

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (eleven months ago) link

skyfall and spectre both suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:53 (eleven months ago) link

i have probably posted both of those opinions 10000x before

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:56 (eleven months ago) link

no Bond film should ever involve the villain appearing on one end of a very long room and taking a ten minute walk towards the camera while delivering a monologue, I'm pretty sure Torgo from Manos Hands of Fate walked faster than Silva in that scene.

omar little, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:00 (eleven months ago) link

Hahahah. But art!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2018 18:03 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

ah ffs

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 September 2018 17:01 (ten months ago) link

Michael G. Wilson, Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig announced today that #Bond25 will begin filming at Pinewood Studios on 4 March 2019 under the helm of director, Cary Joji Fukunaga with a worldwide release date of 14 February 2020. (1/2) pic.twitter.com/Oyzt826sXd

— James Bond (@007) September 20, 2018

Number None, Thursday, 20 September 2018 09:07 (ten months ago) link

huh - had they announced before that fukunaga would be directing?

no, this is the announcement

Number None, Thursday, 20 September 2018 09:10 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

WE GOT (working) TITLE

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/22/shatteredhand-james-bond-working-title

...wait, what?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 February 2019 19:26 (five months ago) link

Shatterhand, wish in the other, see which fills up first.

steven, soda jerk (sic), Friday, 22 February 2019 19:39 (five months ago) link

shatterhand?

shitterhand morelike

“Emotional Interest Underwear” (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:09 (five months ago) link

that shatnerfist in full

https://i.giphy.com/media/wAhJF6wUMowy4/giphy.gif

“Emotional Interest Underwear” (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:12 (five months ago) link

tbf Daggermouth was already taken

See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:12 (five months ago) link

In You Only Live Twice, published in 1964, Blofeld returns and Bond finds him hiding in Japan under the alias Dr. Guntram Shatterhand. He has once again changed his appearance. He has put on some muscle, and has a gold-capped tooth, a fully healed nose, and a drooping grey mustache.

omar little, Friday, 22 February 2019 21:16 (five months ago) link

The Shattered Hand clan (or simply the Hand)[2] was originally an orcish clan that dwelled in the Spires of Arak. Formed from outcasts and liberated Highmaul gladiator slaves, the clan was named after its gruesome self-mutilation practices. The clan was left behind on Draenor during the First and Second Wars, but later rallied under Ner'zhul's banner. Following Draenor's transformation into Outland, many Shattered Hand transformed into fel orcs, with their founder and chieftain, Kargath Bladefist, becoming the Warchief of the Fel Horde in service to the Illidari.

In the modern day, the Horde-loyal "Shattered Hand" refers to a secretive multi-racial organization of spies, assassins, and rogue trainers seemingly fulfilling a similar role as the Alliance's SI:7.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 22 February 2019 21:17 (five months ago) link

if this movie pits bond against an army of savage orcs, it’s a day one viewing for me tbh

“Emotional Interest Underwear” (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:23 (five months ago) link

Shat-In-Hand

just another country (snoball), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:55 (five months ago) link

ew

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 February 2019 22:25 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

The clock is ticking and despite that pre-production has already bled over into some production—cameras have been rolling on “Bond 25,” though it’s all second unit photography without the principal cast—the gears keep on turning on the screenplay for the next 007 movie. The Observer reports that Phoebe Waller-Bridge has been hired to “liven up” the still as-of-yet-untitled ‘Bond 25’ screenplay.

Waller-Bridge might be best known by American audiences for playing the recalcitrant droid L3-37 in “Solo: A Star Wars Story,” but she is a critically-acclaimed artist, writer, playwright known for the creating and writing the critically-acclaimed BBC comedy “Fleabag,” and the currently-beloved BBC America black comedic spy thriller “Killing Eve.”

But Waller-Bridge recently announces that “Fleabag” has ended after season two, she’s no longer the showrunner of “Killing Eve,” and has delegated duties and apparently has a hole in her schedule. That’s enough for star Daniel Craig who has reportedly specifically requested her to bring her wit and quirkiness to the screenplay.

Number None, Monday, 15 April 2019 09:26 (three months ago) link

this is both very good news and very bad news imo

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:33 (three months ago) link

i think i know what you mean

Number None, Monday, 15 April 2019 09:36 (three months ago) link

Nobody good should have to waste their time making bond films

mumsnet blvd (wins), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:38 (three months ago) link

Or Star Wars films

The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:41 (three months ago) link

Her character in the Solo movie was the best thing it.

Tuomas, Monday, 15 April 2019 10:17 (three months ago) link

high praise indeed

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 10:30 (three months ago) link

Craig sat in the same row as my flatmate to see the Fleabag play two weeks ago

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:01 (three months ago) link

sic’s flatmate to direct bond #26 imo

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:02 (three months ago) link

That Solo character was irritating. Chewbacca was the most entertaining aspect of that debacle.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 19:27 (three months ago) link

So, we know more now:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/bond-25-daniel-craig-rami-malek-1203197623/

Rami Malek as the bad guy, presumably battling Bond with a mustache and a questionable historical record. Further:

“We’ve got quite a ride in store for Mr. Bond,” promised producer Barbara Broccoli. She also left a few breadcrumbs about what that ride might entail, telling viewers that the film will start with Bond out of active service and on holiday.

“He’s enjoying himself in Jamaica,” said Broccoli, who added that the production has built an “extraordinary” house for the famous agent and his license to kill. The official log-line states that “[Bond’s] peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help. The mission to rescue a kidnapped scientist turns out to be far more treacherous than expected, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.”

Naomie Harris back as Moneypenny, plus:

Locations for the movie also include London, Italy and Norway, where some shooting has already taken place. The cast will include returning actors Lea Seydoux (Dr. Madeleine Swann), Jeffrey Wright (Felix Leiter), Ben Whishaw (Q), Rory Kinnear (Tanner) and Ralph Fiennes (M). Newcomers include Lashana Lynch, David Dencik, Ana De Armas and Dali Benssalah. The producers confirmed a Variety scoop that Billy Magnussen has joined the cast. Variety also previously reported Malek’s casting. The producers confirmed that the script will be written by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, Scott Z. Burns and Phoebe Waller-Bridge.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:38 (two months ago) link

ahh, the ol’ post-oscar cash-grab

we love to see it don’t we folks, we love it

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:57 (two months ago) link


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