S/D -- The Numero Group

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tyler u gotta check out Everything Falls Apart especially, that record is killer

As long as Greg Ginn is being kept alive by his cat menagerie, this may be as good as it gets.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:21 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Form what I gather second or third hand (Mpls not a very big town) we should be amazed we are even getting this.

The other Katzmann Land Speed Record tape is something I have heard abt for like 25 yrs, can't wait to finally here it.

xp i've heard it, just haven't really given it a lot of time compared to the SST jams.

Ginn as punk supervillain still bums me out.

Also the personalities of this band & their relationship are...complex

Ginn as punk supervillain still bums me out.

Weed is a helluva drug

sets like this don't really get any amazon uk distribution

I would be really REALLY surprised if this isn't available via amazon uk

tyler u gotta check out Everything Falls Apart especially, that record is killer

yep, that whole burma-meets-keith levene sound they had, it's great

i feel like i learned a lot about early HD from reading Bob's book -- imagining Bob and Grant meeting and becoming friends truly warms my heart and gives me hope for humanity in spite of how their relationship has turned out. it seemed like the kind of intense friendship that doesn't happen every day.

a hell of a lot of work went in to make even this happen

and all legal avenues to rescue the later stuff from Ginn

Also the personalities of this band & their relationship are...complex

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 10:03 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and let's just say a certain member is in many many ways less motivated to make stuff like this happen for fairly obvious reasons

personally I think this early period will be more fascinating and contain more surprises than a later set

I think there's more of substance that hasn't been heard

Very exciting, and yet, the early years of Husker Du is not why people like Husker Du.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:10 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think Everything Falls Apart is as good as anything they ever did and better than some of the later albums (IMO)

agreed, this release is essential and I expect it to redefine how people see these early years

I think there are some people that think Sorry Ma is the peak of the Replacements, too. But I don't think Everything is better than any subsequent HD record save maybe Candy Apple Grey on a bad day.

Well, we just have different tastes in Husker Du I guess. I also very much love Stink (even moreso) and Sorry Ma.

If there are people who like say Don't Tell a Soul or All Shook Down more than Sorry Ma, which I'm sure there are, we just value dif things abt the band.

I think because their mature period was so much better than most hardcore bands people actually underrate HD as a hardcore band.

Now that they're redoing the CD model to be like 2,000 copies each, should I expect Rough Trade to carry these, or do I have to do mail-order?

xp Stink is totally the best Replacements record in my world

sorry ma is my favorite
i went to look for my everything falls apart cd to listen to in the car only to find a cruel joke i apparently played on myself the last time i went down this stretch of memory lane: the HD cd had been replaced by Let It Be
lol

the ol' minnesota shuffle

is that really right about them just doing 2,000 of the CD sets? Yow, I better get mine. one of the best things about numero is that the CD sets are so nicely priced.

extra 7" is essential btw

Yeah, I'm basically vinyl for the proper numbers, CD for the 200 series

Everything Falls Apart is incredible, but I agree, this is not the boxset or reissue that will expose Hüsker Dü to new generations like they deserve. Hearing Flip Your Wig at 19 for the first time was a revelation - I was a massive Nirvana & Green Day fan, how had no one told me about this amazing power pop hardcore record?????

any Mpls heads wanna dish some dirt on why the above scenario is unlikely to happen?

You mean more reissues? I think that can be broken down to:

1) Bob is doing really well, musically and financially, and doesn't need the aggravation.
2) No one in the band has stayed on particularly good terms.
3) Label woes.

Anyway, I like early Huskers just fine, for what it is, which is generally good. But I think they really hit their highs a couple of years later. That's not a terribly controversial opinion, I don't think. I listen to the early stuff for aaaaargh, the later stuff for ahhhhhhhh!

not really dirt basically, worked w/same lawyers who had worked w/other SST acts.

in some way that was a technicality and not explained, somehow even in the realm of shitty unfair SST contracts, the Huskers have a worse contract than, for ex., Dino or Meat Puppets or ppl who have been able to wrest control from Ginn

I live in eternal hope that one day there'll be a Slovenly box, but I can't imagine anyone ever lawyering-up over that :(

I live in eternal hope that one day there'll be a Slovenly box, but I can't imagine anyone ever lawyering-up over that :(

Oh me too. Didn't someone else here say Tom Watson has been working on it for years?

Well, it helps that Dino, Puppets, even Sonic Youth were able to get their SST stuff back because they did so at the height of the '90s alt-rock boom, when they all had resources, when their visibility was at a premium, when they weren't, you know, broken up. HD was one of the first indie bands to sign to a major, but they broke up before they could reap those benefits. It's somewhat ironic that when Bob had his biggest success piggybacking on the '90s boom it wasn't on WB but on Ryko!

I think there are some people that think Sorry Ma is the peak of the Replacements

Definitely my second favourite, after Let It Be. Tim/Pleased have lots of filler imo.

Puppets didn't get their albums back until late 90s, and that was via Ryko.

Yeah, but this was still more or less right after their commercial success on a major, right? I assume it took major label money/lawyers to extract the catalog. I mean, it can't be a coincidence that everything thinks Ginn is a dick, and SST trouble, and yet pretty much every single band *but* Husker Du has eventually escaped it grasp/wrath, save the Minutemen, and they seem fine stuck there.

If I haven't cleared it up, I love Sorry Ma - stuff from that album was a highlight of the reunion shows, iirc - but if that album was the end of the Mats they would just be a lil cult thing. Hit or miss or full of filler, it's the next few that made the band's legacy. That's what I meant re: HD. The Early Hardcore Years have a lot to love, but LSR was basically the end of the beginning before the group came out of its pupa. Again, love the hardcore stuff fine, but Metal Circus and beyond was (for me) essentially life changing.

Ok. Now that your official position is on record is it ok if we are excited about this?

They could reissue xeroxed Husker Du show flyers and I would be excited. They have been at times my favorite band.

There are other bands that have SST problems iirc. The Stains, Saccharine Trust. The Dicks' Kill From The Heart master tapes were lost, but Alternative Tentacles managed to do a reissue from MRR's copy of the LP.

The Pups' reissues were five or so years after MTV Unplugged, and I don't think they were on London anymore at that point (or even a band, really). I remember hearing a story back then that they won access to heir tapes because Ginn erroneously sued them, and lost the case, and in doing so lost ownership of their tapes, but I kind of think that was just hearsay.

Gina/SST is such a mess. When I did my Black Flag book a few years back, it was near-impossible to get people to talk on record about his business activities. He's litigious, for sure.

Keith Morris has some things to say about that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=RkHomVPQNU4

Hahahaha

Keith gave me some of the best quotes on Ginn, especially about the failed Ginn-led Flag reunion circa Rollins' West Memphis Three album.

The Pups' reissues were five or so years after MTV Unplugged, and I don't think they were on London anymore at that point (or even a band, really)

They still owed a record to London, or presumably must have, since Curt's band at the time changed their name to the Meat Puppets to release Golden Lies (and the You Love Me EP beforehand). This was just after the reissues, which were handled by Derrick way more than Curt (Cris was in the midst of his troubles at this stage).

Keith talked so much shit about Ginn from stage when I saw Flag, hilarious

Anyone else here who ordered the HD set still waiting on email confirmation? I ordered two days ago, and they look my money (my banks says so) but all I have is an order number via the website's account section - the actual item field is empty, and there's no download available (other say they've got theirs?). I've asked their Twitter but responses to others have been... terse. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence, even taking into account they're a small operation.

no email confirmation yet but this happened with their CD sale as well, and the traffic broke the website for a little while. wait and see, I guess? not ideal, I know.

i ordered it last night and got an email

Very excited for this. Especially the alternate Land Speed Record -- it drives me nuts that on CD everything is smooshed together onto 2 tracks. And a better performance and recording! I've had a decent reissue of Everything Comes Apart from the 90s that sounds better than most of the SST stuff. Still hold out hope that they'll rescue those SST albums.

xp well dammit now I'm a teensy bit concerned

Me too. Did they take your money as well?

probably, haven't checked. also not sure if the DL works yet, I'll try at home later.

I am comforted by the fact that there are order numbers in my account, though.

No email here as well and, like you said, same for the sale. It's in the system, I'm sure we're fine (went for the silver, can't wait to get this. hope that Terry K. gets his due in the booklet).

Went for the CDs with the 7" here (I'm sure the vinyl set is gorgeous but I couldn't justify it on aesthetic grounds alone). Hope they get things sorted over the next few days.

the vinyl is sold out right? how many copies did they press?

Just the silver vinyl. Black vinyl still up on the site and white vinyl going to retail

there were 500 silver sets iirc

gotcha. ha, that's awesome they pressed silver vinyl - it's so hard to describe but i always thought Bob's guitar sound was "silvery" - something about the stereo splitting & combination of the MXR distortion & using 2 harmonizers with one pitched flat & the other pitched sharp, creating that beautiful natural chorus sound.

What's the Pop-Up store like? How deep are the discounts/selection etc.? They're doing it here next week and need justification for re-arranging my schedule to attend.