The Films of Alexander Payne - C/D

Sweet jesus, this sounds awful:

http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2017/09/downsizing.html

Classic for Nebraska, Citizen Ruth and Election. I could take or leave the rest

Nebraska was terrible. The other two are great ... his only great films.

Was wondering what Payne was up to and it turns out he was right up to the point of shooting a road movie for Netflix based onMy Saga until Karl Ove Knausgard pulled the rights at the last minute.

Jesus, I just saw this. Terrible. The only instance of test audiences forcing the filmmakers to shoot a new, correct ending?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhezOPupmj4

RIP Election's, Jessica Campbell (Tammy Metzler), 38

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jessica-campbell-election-star-dies-at-38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpGy-DxPF0

Checking her imdb, two things astounded me: How few credits she had (six total: a tv movie when she was a kid, Election; two eps of Freaks...; The Safety of Objects; a short film; and what I assume was an unreleased feature called Junk from 2002), and that she was two days younger than me, which means she was 15 when filming Election, and 16 when she was Tuba Girl.

that is weird.... only SIX?

I noticed that Payne's wiki has a "2017–2022: Career slump" header and a "2023–present: Resurgence" header. New one is getting a pretty positive reception.

Didn't realize he was originally on board to direct "The Menu."

The trailer, no surprise, looks dreadful.

I did like the very 70s voiceover for the trailer.

No one else will bother to see The Holdovers, so: not very good. The Killer is heavy-handed not-very-good, Priscilla is lifeless not-very-good, The Holdovers is clunky not-very-good.

anyone do the daily framed.wtf quiz?
I'm inordinately annoyed that the last few were "Brought to you by The Holdovers, in cinemas now..." and they were Election, About Schmidt, Nebraska (which I remember quite liking but immediately forgot) and The Descendants. I think they'd already had Downsizing some time ago.

I saw Nebraska on an airplane this year, thought it was hilarious.

I did bother to see it, FWIW there clemenza. A minor/gets-a-pat-on-the-head effort, but certainly not great; a better movie would have actually gone further with Da'Vine Joy Randolph's character rather than essentially having her disappear for a good chunk of the closing half and I rather suspect Payne would have been more comfortable with just the other two leads. Atmosphere was excellent in general, though, it gets a quiet holiday mood well, and the blend of original score and choice of songs helped.

Found that blend a little meandering--rather he'd gone for an imaginative period soundtrack. Although, going by the oft-used Chambers Brothers and Cat Stevens (two things I like anyway), he probably didn't have that in him.

I should mention a couple of wall hangings I liked, both of which I remembered from the time: the W.C. Fields poster and the MLK wall tapestry (there was a matching JFK, I'm pretty sure, but can't find images of either).

Atmosphere was excellent in general, though, it gets a quiet holiday mood well

this is what i was curious about tbh. i don't expect this to be good, but i think spending 90m [edit: the film is 133 minutes] in christmastime '70s boarding school wouldn't be the worst and maybe even charming

Probably what I was hoping for, something like Bill Forsyth's Comfort and Joy (the tagline for Payne's film is "Discomfort and Joy," which may or may not be coincidental). But the two male leads are thoroughly unlikeable (each tells the other that everyone at the school hates them--typical of each, also true), and the lead is in mourning twice over. Hard to get there from here.

"lead female"

I was hoping for, something like Bill Forsyth's Comfort and Joy (the tagline for Payne's film is "Discomfort and Joy," which may or may not be coincidental).

Probably coincidental, as both that title and tag are inspired by the refrain of the traditional Christmas Carol "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen".

Tidings of...I knew that, and probably yes (with a slight chance of probably both).

No one else will bother to see The Holdovers

Weird assumption to make about a movie that's largely gotten very good reviews and heralded as a return to form for Payne. It was the first runner-up for the audience award at TIFF and has been touted for Oscar nominations. I'm planning to see it eventually.

i saw this tonight, it's a very sweet story

(xpost) That was referring to here, ILX, perhaps unduly influenced by the preponderance of negative commentary past Election when Payne's name comes up.

I love Election, liked Sideways a lot, liked Nebraska. The Holdovers probably will get AA nominations, primarily, I'd say, because it's the kind of film that gets AA nominations. I think there's an attempt to recapture some of Sideways and Nebraska's mood, but for me it falls well short.

133 minutes!!

Nebraska is my favorite of his films that I've seen. A lot of the credit should go to the screenwriter though I think.

For what it's worth, the screening I was at--rep theatre, maybe 20% smaller than a Cineplex--was packed.

Weirdly enough, despite not liking any Payne post Election, and not actually holding Hal Ashby in any particular reverence, this is a movie that I'm not actually dreading that much this Oscar season ... at least not compared to Maestro or The Color Purple (or Killers of the Flower Moon)

(Also, related, American Fiction felt like a Sideways redux that actually worked.)

Just seen The Holdovers... This was so bland and dull. The script is predictable and sickly sentimental, and the film is way overlong.

Yay!

(for some reason it's only just been released this weekend in the UK, missing the Christmas tie-in)

I feel like I know exactly what this movie will be like and am not interested in finding out if that’s true.

Occurred to me after I posted above: John Houseman comes up with a much better (unforgettable; Giamatti is instantly forgettable) portrayal of academic superciliousness in The Paper Chase.

I like that The Holdovers tried to recreate the visual and emotional experience of watching popular US film in the early 70s, with its fetishization of exclusivity and youth

I think Giamatti gives a more heartfelt and memorable performance than Houseman did in The Paper Chase to be honest

Yeah, clem, I'm with Orson Welles -- Houseman oozes falsity in so many roles, the sort of guy who sells "Britishness": an ersatz class.

Not sure if heartfelt mixes well with superciliousness, but for me, not even close; Houseman could not be more perfect in that role.

I'm still seeing the trailer for The Holdovers on TV--I guess it's gone into wider release before the Academy Awards. The one part when Giamatti calls out "That's a detention! That's another detention!" like he's in The Breakfast Club, god that makes me cringe. (Knocking the film, not the many people who like it; it's the kind of film I could have easily ended up liking.)

As I posted once on Facebook, it was my lifelong dream to give this speech to a grade 3 class on the first day of school. Just never got around to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLW7v3s7KQ

The Holdovers has actually become a small hit.

I mean, The Boys in the Boat has outgrossed it twice over, so let's not focus too hard on B.O.

it doesn't stink, no

I know I was overdue to not hate a Payne film, and also overdue to like boomer nostalgia, so let me complete the in-a-blue-moon hat trick by saying I enjoyed this more than any single Hal Ashby film I've ever seen.

I liked it but I'm not mr. smart movie guy or anything

Me neither, it turns out. I even found a lot to like about Nyad this evening.

I liked ]Nyad, it is a very watchable film and Annette Bening's and Jodie Foster's performances are both just about perfect

Since Payne hasn't directed anything in several years and has dropped out of quite a few projects, I think it's good if he gets a solid hit out of a "safe" one, just to get his career moving and (hopefully) pull together the clout needed to make something that's been stuck in limbo. Before this, he hadn't had a hit, critical or commercial, in a full decade.

It's weird being in the target demographic for The Holdovers - total cinema comfort food, very-good-but-not-great and as mentioned earlier - sometimes an imaginary Hal Ashby movie is better than the real thing.

i know that it aims exactly for this, but it doesnt do anything that a prestige young ryan o neal vehicle wouldnt in terms of the higher brow effort, and it falls some way short of giving us anything too piercing in terms of interactions between the younger cast caricatures

i thought it was pleasant but theres a reason this guy directs half-interesting swipes at rich america that i only bother to catch when stuck for something to watch