Maintaining a Digital Music Collection

But the pickings are slim, large-scale local media management is a dead end it seems.

i refer you to the sonos thread and my ongoing issues re their 65K track limit a limit set by hardware not software.
i.e. sonos have decided to dump local media management for streaming.
apparently people are not meant to have large local archives anymore in this age of spotify.

How much of a pain in the ass is it to manage your music library across two devices? For anyone that already does it, how did you decide to split your library?

It's a pain shuffling things between two devices, for sure, but not terrible depending on the paradigm you choose. I used to do it with an iPod and a small Sansa player. I couldn't fit everything on them so I had to make some choices - I kept my favorite stuff on the iPod and a combination of the past years acquisitions and compilations on the Sansa. The pain was migrating stuff from one to the other, it was a constant chore deciding what to take off the iPod in favor of something new to add. On the other hand, it did force a rigorous approach to pruning your library, focusing on the very best and avoiding the hoarding that so easily comes to maintaining a digital library.

That approach ended when I embraced a single device solution (Android phone) and set up my own streaming solution (BubbleUPnP).

Tell me more about this HTC 10

How does it support up to 2TB of external storage? There are no cards larger than 500GB are there? Or do you mean you can hook it up to a USB hard drive?

Also it seems like it's not actually in production anymore. I see used listings and alibaba.com which, no.

Yeah, iSyncr and Rocket Player here too.

I'm writing this on an HTC 10 since I ended up using it as a phone, bought it for cheap with a crack in the screen, but it's a fairly expensive phone (settled on it after endless net searching trying to find out which phone had the better DAC)

It's very much for sale in Denmark so I'm surprised if it's not readily available on the American market. You can find threads about it on some audiophile forums.

Anyway, the 2tb thing is apparently the max capacity - but no, you cannot at the moment get an SD card that size

I don't have 65000 mp3s but for the sake of ilxors I would be willing to download a lot of music and test indexing

It really sounds great (DAC wise), and even before I put in a sim it was great to be able to dl Spotify albums and listen on the go

I seem to recall Marshall did a killer DAC phone too

...been using sansa clip + for some time now but looking for something to handle flacs into the hi-fi -- thinking fiio X3, cowen and onkyo look interesting....

I love my Cowon but get the O2 model, the interface/touchscreen is much better than the smaller ones

O2 is old model -- Plenue, maybe?

no, something with a rectangle screen like the M2, not a square screen:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NJG61D2/ref=psdc_1264866011_t3_B00N7A9U5Q

ok - probably more versatile than the FiiO, probably better alltogether...

Can that thing take high capacity micro sd cards (128, 200)? And can it browse via folders without relying on metadata?

dunno about the former but any folder structures I drag and drop into my O2 are navigable, tags are displayed but you see folder icons as well.

I've absolutely loved my Pioneer XDP-100R, a dedicated Android-based music player with very high-quality components for excellent sound--and the most important factor to me, two MicroSD slots. It sounds amazing playing FLACs, so I keep a few dozen albums on the inboard 32GB. But with (2x)256GB MicroSD, I'm able to keep several thousand of my albums with me at all times at VBR V-0 or CBR-320kbps mp3, which sounds good enough to my ears. The Pioneer player is good for playing FLACs and high-end files like that. I then use the GoneMad player app for everything else, and it's excellent--a lot of customization, browse by folder and/or by metadata, etc.

The player looks like what a stylish small smartphone would've looked like if they had existed in 1986. So it's a bit thick, compared to a modern phone, but it's actually quite comfortable to use, and has dedicated hard controls and an analogue volume dial so you don't have to turn the screen on to use it. I got it at $300 and found it a steal, and it's now at it's now at $270 on Amazon.70 on Amazon.

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/PUSA/V5/Home/High-Resolution%20Audio/xdp-100r_360.jpg(I got and prefer the raw aluminum version)

For phones that work as great music players, I'd highly recommend you pick up an LG V10. It has a dedicated (and reputable) DAC, it takes MicroSD, has a replaceable battery, and it's built like a tank, with steel rails down the sides and a rubber back. I've used one every day for two years and it looks brand-new.

That looks like Deckard would use it.

Ha! That's it exactly--it's a smartphone released by Atari in Los Angeles in November, 2019 to take to the off-world colonies. . .

soundslike, what is the battery life like on that pioneer thing? You had me at 2x micro sd

It seems great. I've never run it down, because I recharge it like a phone ever night, or often keep it plugged in at my office. It doesn't have a lot of apps, but I stripped it of everything I could uninstall except the stock software player. I mostly turn off wi-fi, keep the screen off when not needed, play mp3s per the above, not flacs, but I'd guess from use on travel I get 15+ hours? Maybe it can do more--I've never worn it down. It's not going to get the time that a Cowon or whatever gets, because of the big screen, can do Bluetooth, etc. but much longer than a phone.

Damn that sounds kind of ideal for me

the picture makes it look bigger and heavier than it is ... but yeah, totally portable and would fit in my purse.

Yeah, it's totally pocketable--much smaller than most modern phones in footprint, just thicker. I even like the little "bumpers" on the top and bottom, which I assumed I'd remove--they help make pulling it out of a pocket easier, and I use the top one to hang it on a hook at my office when I'm using Bluetooth.

so i got a computer to keep my library with me on the go. "should be fine", says i. "512 gb ought to be enough for anybody". i'm now up to 50,000 songs, 338 gb, windows keeps wanting to install massive updates whenever i connect it to the internet, and soundslike just posted a gigabyte worth of 2000s post-punk revival. itunes used to have this great thing where you could convert your files down to 128 aac to save space, and i'm seriously wondering if i can do that with my whole library for portable purposes. suggestions?

you can get a 4TB external drive for $100

i could but then i'd be lugging around even more stuff with me

oic -- a laptop rather than a computer to stream from? then yeah, downsampling seems reasonable as long as you're keeping the originals somewhere (and aren't all hydrogenaudio about the quality)

338 + 1 = 339

That's still way less than 512. I don't see a problem.

Will the laptop support a second internal drive? Some will. Or you can swap out the 512 for 1tb.

yes, i know there are a lot of ways to add more storage space. i don't particularly want to open up the laptop and mess around with the innards. i could get a usb drive and expand the space i have that way, if i wanted. i know 128 aac doesn't sound as good as 320 mp3, but it's good enough for portable listening, even with the dragonfly in. i figure mass transcoding could recover a lot of space for future growth and ought to be possible!

Are those 338gb lossless? then keep them backed up in a couple big hdds at home and mass convert them with foobar to the laptop as lossy files. aac 128 will be transparent almost every time, doubly so for portable listening.

if they're already mp3s or other lossy stuff, then transcoding might be fine as well (again, portable listening) but it's a much bigger risk. again, as long as you keep the originals backed up somewhere...

they make thumb drives that are 500gb, i don't know how reliable they are, though.

to each his own, but the only stuff i'd listen to in 128 would be like pre-war music

they make thumb drives that are 500gb

they're like $250 on amazon btw

the only stuff i'd listen to in 128 would be like pre-war music

― brimstead, Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:21 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

128 mono = 256 stereo, so pre-67 maybe?

Cannot understand why so many of these cylinder rips I'm downloading are in stereo.

i don't understand what the equals sign means there, a 128kbps mp3 will sound shitty for anything "well recorded"...

if you're just playing it on a boombox or something tho, 128 is probably fine for anything

yes, i'm keeping the originals backed up. i'm keeping the originals backed up in multiple places. this isn't my only listening source.

and for anybody concerned about the "128" thing, codec matters. i'm not talking about bloody xing 128. i'm talking about aac, which to my middle-aged ears is _acceptably lossy_ at 128.

none of which goes any direction towards answering the question of "how", mind you. i just wanted to save myself a google - if i wanted an argument i'd be on stevehoffman.tv!

as for cylinder rips in stereo, it's because people are lazy. the mono version of piper that came out a couple years back had non-identical left and right channels. fortunately _one_ of the channels was okay so easy enough to just duplicate the non-fucked-up channel using software.

sorry, piper = piper at the gates of dawn.

dbpoweramp can do the converting easily

but this one looks like it'll do it free: https://www.freac.org

I'm sure there are plenty of just as capable alternatives but foobar is what I always use, you can load all your files once and let it do the conversion overnight. those 300 gb will surely take many hours

and if you have your music collection properly tagged with artist, album, etc it can easily do fancier stuff like defining a desired output directory tree and filename template, replaygain scanning and tagging, removing long stretches of silence from CD album closing tracks, etc

I meant that you can halve the biterate for mono recordings, so 128 will effectively be 256.

I edit my mp3s in something proper, but do tagging in tagscanner and equalise the volume using mp3gain, would recommend both, have not really come across a bulk file converter that I'm completely happy with yet - the best was the software that came with my creative mp3 player but lost it long ago.

Using AIMP to actually play mp3s on my computer but hate it, looking for an alternative

none of which goes any direction towards answering the question of "how", mind you. i just wanted to save myself a google - if i wanted an argument i'd be on stevehoffman.tv!

what's your problem, i gave you a suggestion, did you even read my post

sigh. i don't have a problem, brimstead, thank you for your suggestion.

1TB hard drive is around $50; no-brainer. By the time you fill that up, it's pretty easy too imagine affordable SD cards of the same capacity.

I recommend against low bit-rates or shifting to mono unless you have very specific needs, even if you still have higher res. backups -- i have 3 HDs of my stax (original, and 2 back-ups) and have enough trouble just keeping those updated -- even without worrying which copy has my best MP3s/flacs, etc.

My problem will be when my stax grow beyond 1TB (over 800GB now) -- as i would want 1 HD for each copy -- i've been using older 3.5" HDs that connect thru docking stations of either eSATA or USB 3.0, but my oldest computer is still on Win XP and have trouble with HDs larger than 1TB.

Bulk file conversion very easy in Mediamonkey.

itunes

is probably the problem.

What a fucking ballache is my irritable response to all that.

what's all this about mono? Don't most encoders actually use "Joint Stereo" by default? That is, where left + right are the same, use the allowed bitrate to enhance overall fidelity.

That's not joint stereo.

Joint stereo is where they encode the one channel as an absolute and encode the other channel as a delta. It's more efficient than encoding both channels absolutely but it is capable of exactly reproducing the input, nothing is lost.

http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Joint_stereo

Actually, I think that is what maffew is describing. And there are more things called 'joint stereo' than just the one I mentioned. (But all rely on the fact that the two channels will be nearly the same a lot of the time)

The bloke had already said he doesn't want an external drive, or an internal one. And that these aren't the masters. It's safe to transcode then down. But I'd wait until my disc was 90% full at least.

I'd definitely prefer using a cloud service for backup rather than buying more external hdds

Currently I'm on the 100gb google drive plan, I downloaded the desktop client and am placing all my non-system files in the drive folder

This works flawlessly and saved all my files when my SSD crashed for no reason 6 months ago

The 1tb plan is 8£/month, if I was maintaining a digital music collection I'd use that for backup

But I'd wait until my disc was 90% full at least.

― koogs

Windows, at least, runs like crap with anything less than 15% drive space, and <10% is unbearable.

The 1tb plan is 8£/month, if I was maintaining a digital music collection I'd use that for backup

― niels

My DSL limit 12Mbps down and .3Mbps up -- theoretically, it would take about a month to upload 100GB even if i dedicated 100% of my bandwidth to the task. Maybe cable users could boost those numbers by a factor of 10+, but it would still take a month to upload a full TB.

wow, those are low speeds?

I had .5mbps up in ~2004 and with my last ISP 50mbps up