It could be the pastiching of a genre ('Red Hot Car, 'Windowlicker') for the length of one track, to signify (ir)reverence to that genre or play about with its parameters.
which is something that music producers of all genres have been doing forever in all sorts of music (pick a genre if you want examples)
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
The label 'home listening electronica' was proposed as an alternative to 'IDM' but that's just a cumbersome
i am surprised you have a problem w/ more words as opposed to fewer
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
. I couldn't tell you what IDM sounds like, it's more the functionality behind it, in that one would treat it more as a form of art-rock or art-pop than a dance subgenre
now this i actually agree w/ which is why i am so surprised that you would draw a sharp dividing line between, say, BoC and Air
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 04:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, definitely not feeling this mind-body dichotomizing of electronic musics.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:00 (six years ago) link
For me, peak IDM was when composers worked a bit like writers of short stories, asking themselves 'What if...?' and executing the results in just a short space of time.
Autechre and Aphex were especially good at this. Here are just a handful off the top of my head:
this is gross and unmusical
― j., Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:01 (six years ago) link
But also yes to the idea of defining the difference by their respective *functions*. I think that's fair. Just as chamber music has different characteristics from orchestral music, because one is designed to be listened to in a chamber and the other in a concert hall, so house music and IDM are going to have different characteristics because one is designed for the club and the other is for headphones, although of course there is going to be blurring and overlap. And there is IDM that's stupid as shit, and house that's smart as shit.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:03 (six years ago) link
I couldn't tell you what IDM sounds like, it's more the functionality behind it, in that one would treat it more as a form of art-rock or art-pop than a dance subgenre
I've seen it performed live and in clubs etc (and likewise I've listened to dance music at home, while walking around etc),
ok so here you contradict yourself by first making it about the author's intention and then making it about the reader's response, you have to pick one or accept that both are insufficient to draw genre lines
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link
i'm totally against using intention or use to put music in categories, it just creates social hierarchies and turns criticism into faux sociology
i'd rather focus on formal properties
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:07 (six years ago) link
which is partly because i don't know a whole lot about formal properties of music so it frees me from the pressure to interpret while also focusing me back on appreciating the actual music rather than judging the scene / culture / listeners that produced the music
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
sorry DL i guess i did end up doing a rebuttal
nothing personal, please forgive my playful digs
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:10 (six years ago) link
this is pretty much my relationship with all things on earth. it's pretty cool except the part where no one takes you seriously about anything (not a sick burn, i'm right there with you). and even the warm feeling of appreciating the actual music in a primordial way eventually runs into problems because there will be some professor of Appreciating music in a Casual Way, phd that knows how to express their casual appreciation in a way that cannot be responded to on the same level
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
the person listening to music decides how to treat it "as is" - if any IDM track makes me feel like dancing, its function has been defined by me. How you get to a feeling of dancing via house music or IDM seems largely irrelevant to me, it's like assuming music has a universal function when it's up to the interpreter. kind of with late great here
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
i'm not articulating great here but i think music shouldn't be sorted into neat function categories
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:24 (six years ago) link
there will be some professor of Appreciating music in a Casual Way, phd that knows how to express their casual appreciation in a way that cannot be responded to on the same level
oh GOD i hope that's not how i come off
;_;
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:26 (six years ago) link
great post Karl
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link
no no no no
i'm a few martinis deep and i only skipped to the last few posts and read them before weighing in, because that's definitely the way a good ilxor operates
sorry, i really didn't mean anything at all about anything. i just saw something that i identified with (not being an expert on something but still feeling passionate about it) and was trying to sympathize in a really weird way
don't worry, i don't know if you're a dr, but you're not a dr of appreciating music in a Casual Way in the way that i described! haha
who wants a martini, basically
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:31 (six years ago) link
i'll drink to that
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:32 (six years ago) link
bong hits in dog latin's honor
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:33 (six years ago) link
Remembering the names of my records is tough enough don't make me have to worry about genres too! This sounds like an attack on reverie by the forces of bureaucracy
― saer, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:33 (six years ago) link
*falls down the stairs*
boards of canada!
orange
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:33 (six years ago) link
all are guilty
my friend criticised me over the weekend because i said a lobster theremin record wasn't electro because it wasn't 130+ bpm
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:35 (six years ago) link
tbf to myself the claps were on 1 and 3
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:36 (six years ago) link
i try to be open to new things but i will never be open to downbeats on 1 and 3, come on
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
cheers Karl
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:42 (six years ago) link
i'm pouring one out for you all, and by that i mean drinking it
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:50 (six years ago) link
i meant backbeats! aw jeez
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:52 (six years ago) link
now i've lost all credibility
you're sunk
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 05:57 (six years ago) link
boc remixes rule
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKZxR6PpZJo
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:01 (six years ago) link
i'm just listening to their midas touch remix
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:05 (six years ago) link
you know what, fuck it, i'm doubling down. i will never be open to downbeats on 1 and 3. yeah i said it
mhtrtc: after the sunsetiabpoitc: rafting and foosballing down the river outside of timeg: nighttime, a car, slows, circles the campground, and drives off. maybe the park rangerch: getting the gear together and riding the bus up to the take off pointth: hangover drive home
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:06 (six years ago) link
lol
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:07 (six years ago) link
they salvaged that nevermen remix
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:08 (six years ago) link
Maybe instead of calling it IDM we should call it "Chairgroove" or something like "Algorythmic Dance Music".
It's kind of a useless term because the original wave of artists changed a lot between ambient, breakdance, downtempo, noise sometimes even in the same record and they range from cyberpunk to pastoralism in their aesthetics. I don't see how AFX and BOC should be piled in the same collective.
That said if someone tries to describe me what the "IDM" sounds like I thinl of a spacey pad, a beat with fast transients that doesn't fit into the standard rhythmic pattern of other established electronic genres, and possibly an acid influenced synth line.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link
yeah and Plaid are also out on their own as well. Good post Moka
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:11 (six years ago) link
man i was just kidding afaik there is no music w/ claps on 1 and 3
― the late great, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:17 (six years ago) link
whatever man, whatever
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 06:28 (six years ago) link
i rather like chairgroove
but i feel like i killed an important conversation here
dog latin (and other people) i would like to know your thoughts
― the late great, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
I try and keep these ephemeral flights of fancy contained in one or two threads but this now like feels a suitable temporary home for this waywardly optimistic charmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jNyqIWm_Dg
― saer, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
A+
― the late great, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
I believe in Braindance?
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
Holy shizz is that your work saer? Do you Bandcamp? It's WONDERFUL.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
"Chairgroove" made me laugh out loud
― frogbs, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
i associate braindance w/ a specific sound: aphex, ovuca, global goon, etc
drill and bass w/ floaty, fuzzy, wistful pads
― the late great, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 22:08 (six years ago) link
it is a good word though
seat-ronica
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
sofa'n'bass
― Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
― attention vampire (MatthewK),
Its not one of mine, its by Lizz. Don't think this gone is going to be released though.There are a couple more Lizz track on the bobbins of 2017 thread
― saer, Thursday, 24 August 2017 04:53 (six years ago) link
Thanks for informing my ignorance - one to check out thanks.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 24 August 2017 07:18 (six years ago) link
Simon Reynolds on the 20th anniversary of Music has the Right to Children...
https://pitchfork.com/features/article/why-boards-of-canadas-music-has-the-right-to-children-is-the-greatest-psychedelic-album-of-the-90s/
― the article don, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link