Boards of Canada: Classic or Dud?

disagree!

yeah, i have to say i disagree too. Boards of Canada don't sound like Kid606 doesn't sound like Plaid don't sound like Two Lone Swordsmen, all of whom I associate with IDM to one extent or another. I Think one of the reasons the genre started to flag a bit c2003 was that a glut of producers had started to do precisely this by mimicking their heroes and forebears and making music that sounded generically 'IDM'; kind of in the same way Nickelback and Puddle of Mudd took all the hallmarks of grunge and mashed them together into something 'grunge-sounding' but beige and not half as interesting as Nirvana or Pearl Jam or Alice In Chains, all of whom sounded pretty distinct from each other.

i disagree w some of what you said too but yr posts were essay length and i don't have time for detailed response rn

soon though i promise

;-)

i'm not gonna post a rebuttal because obviously a lot of it is personal but i approach it in a different way

what's funny is i think of FSOL as totally "electronica" rather than IDM, although you just know they would rather ppl labeled them the latter hahaha

For better or worse, there is often a need to distinguish between the kind of music made by Autechre/Aphex/BoC and co, and say the Prodigy, Todd Terje, Royksopp, Air, Rusko, Deadmaus or whoever, all of whom could be described as 'electronica' or 'electronic music'

... why? especially when we've already established that autechre, boards and aphex don't have much in common except label and fans?

wouldn't it be more accurate to say there is a continuum of electronica, w/ artists like prodigy, royksopp, air, terje, autechre, aphex, BoC at different points?

Each track had some sort of central 'hook', or more often a gimmick

this is why i like comparing electronica to exotica or other hi fi novelty music

It was more indulgent in that this music wasn't designed to make you do mental gymnastics. It was still 'intelligent' in its design; still brimming with cool ideas, but this was more in the way it tapped into the psychology of the dancefloor, in the way it worked for DJs and dancers. I don't want to use the word 'spoon-feeding' here, but ultimately club-style dance music comes to the listener and the listener meets it back through her emotional and physical response. IDM rewards deep listening - it usually doesn't work that well as a backdrop. As I say, you have to channel a certain amount of your concentration in order to get the most from it.

ok i'm not trying to flame you here but we're largely having the same discussions about IDM because you're still saying some silly stuff i thought we'd moved past

club-style dance music comes to the listener and the listener meets it back through her emotional and physical response.

well you can't have it both ways. the music can't come to the listener AND the listener meet it back

IDM rewards deep listening - it usually doesn't work that well as a backdrop.

i don't know wtf u are doing in the club but when i am dancing i am way more attuned to the music than when i put on autechre in the background. as tim finney used to say, the dancer listens w every muscle in their body

It was more indulgent in that this music wasn't designed to make you do mental gymnastics.

why is music that forces you to do physical and spiritual gymnastics more indulgent than music designed to make you do mental gymnastics?

also why are we even privileging the idea of any sort of gymnastics here? since when was music about doing taste gymnastics? and why NOT be indulgent when listening to music? isn't it a sensual pleasure? or is it just a masochistic test of who can do the most rigorous mental gymnastics in reaction to a sound? (just remembered we're on ILM so don't answer that)

As I say, you have to channel a certain amount of your concentration in order to get the most from it.

also i forget that europeans don't actually dance

before you flame me back I'VE WATCHED BOILER ROOM all you all do is bop aimlessly in place

active mental response required by IDM listener as opposed to a passive physical response typically desired by a house dancer.

active mental vs passive physical

sigh

NERD ALERT

It could be the pastiching of a genre ('Red Hot Car, 'Windowlicker') for the length of one track, to signify (ir)reverence to that genre or play about with its parameters.

which is something that music producers of all genres have been doing forever in all sorts of music (pick a genre if you want examples)

The label 'home listening electronica' was proposed as an alternative to 'IDM' but that's just a cumbersome

i am surprised you have a problem w/ more words as opposed to fewer

. I couldn't tell you what IDM sounds like, it's more the functionality behind it, in that one would treat it more as a form of art-rock or art-pop than a dance subgenre

now this i actually agree w/ which is why i am so surprised that you would draw a sharp dividing line between, say, BoC and Air

Yeah, definitely not feeling this mind-body dichotomizing of electronic musics.

For me, peak IDM was when composers worked a bit like writers of short stories, asking themselves 'What if...?' and executing the results in just a short space of time.

Autechre and Aphex were especially good at this. Here are just a handful off the top of my head:

this is gross and unmusical

But also yes to the idea of defining the difference by their respective *functions*. I think that's fair. Just as chamber music has different characteristics from orchestral music, because one is designed to be listened to in a chamber and the other in a concert hall, so house music and IDM are going to have different characteristics because one is designed for the club and the other is for headphones, although of course there is going to be blurring and overlap. And there is IDM that's stupid as shit, and house that's smart as shit.

I couldn't tell you what IDM sounds like, it's more the functionality behind it, in that one would treat it more as a form of art-rock or art-pop than a dance subgenre

I've seen it performed live and in clubs etc (and likewise I've listened to dance music at home, while walking around etc),

ok so here you contradict yourself by first making it about the author's intention and then making it about the reader's response, you have to pick one or accept that both are insufficient to draw genre lines

i'm totally against using intention or use to put music in categories, it just creates social hierarchies and turns criticism into faux sociology

i'd rather focus on formal properties

which is partly because i don't know a whole lot about formal properties of music so it frees me from the pressure to interpret while also focusing me back on appreciating the actual music rather than judging the scene / culture / listeners that produced the music

sorry DL i guess i did end up doing a rebuttal

nothing personal, please forgive my playful digs

which is partly because i don't know a whole lot about formal properties of music so it frees me from the pressure to interpret while also focusing me back on appreciating the actual music rather than judging the scene / culture / listeners that produced the music

this is pretty much my relationship with all things on earth. it's pretty cool except the part where no one takes you seriously about anything (not a sick burn, i'm right there with you). and even the warm feeling of appreciating the actual music in a primordial way eventually runs into problems because there will be some professor of Appreciating music in a Casual Way, phd that knows how to express their casual appreciation in a way that cannot be responded to on the same level

the person listening to music decides how to treat it "as is" - if any IDM track makes me feel like dancing, its function has been defined by me. How you get to a feeling of dancing via house music or IDM seems largely irrelevant to me, it's like assuming music has a universal function when it's up to the interpreter. kind of with late great here

i'm not articulating great here but i think music shouldn't be sorted into neat function categories

there will be some professor of Appreciating music in a Casual Way, phd that knows how to express their casual appreciation in a way that cannot be responded to on the same level

oh GOD i hope that's not how i come off

;_;

great post Karl

no no no no

i'm a few martinis deep and i only skipped to the last few posts and read them before weighing in, because that's definitely the way a good ilxor operates

sorry, i really didn't mean anything at all about anything. i just saw something that i identified with (not being an expert on something but still feeling passionate about it) and was trying to sympathize in a really weird way

don't worry, i don't know if you're a dr, but you're not a dr of appreciating music in a Casual Way in the way that i described! haha

who wants a martini, basically

i'll drink to that

bong hits in dog latin's honor

Remembering the names of my records is tough enough don't make me have to worry about genres too! This sounds like an attack on reverie by the forces of bureaucracy

*falls down the stairs*

boards of canada!

orange

all are guilty

my friend criticised me over the weekend because i said a lobster theremin record wasn't electro because it wasn't 130+ bpm

tbf to myself the claps were on 1 and 3

i try to be open to new things but i will never be open to downbeats on 1 and 3, come on

cheers Karl

i'm pouring one out for you all, and by that i mean drinking it

i try to be open to new things but i will never be open to downbeats on 1 and 3, come on

i meant backbeats! aw jeez

now i've lost all credibility

you're sunk

boc remixes rule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKZxR6PpZJo

i'm just listening to their midas touch remix

you know what, fuck it, i'm doubling down. i will never be open to downbeats on 1 and 3. yeah i said it

mhtrtc: after the sunset
iabpoitc: rafting and foosballing down the river outside of time
g: nighttime, a car, slows, circles the campground, and drives off. maybe the park ranger
ch: getting the gear together and riding the bus up to the take off point
th: hangover drive home

lol

they salvaged that nevermen remix

Maybe instead of calling it IDM we should call it "Chairgroove" or something like "Algorythmic Dance Music".

It's kind of a useless term because the original wave of artists changed a lot between ambient, breakdance, downtempo, noise sometimes even in the same record and they range from cyberpunk to pastoralism in their aesthetics. I don't see how AFX and BOC should be piled in the same collective.

That said if someone tries to describe me what the "IDM" sounds like I thinl of a spacey pad, a beat with fast transients that doesn't fit into the standard rhythmic pattern of other established electronic genres, and possibly an acid influenced synth line.

yeah and Plaid are also out on their own as well. Good post Moka