brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Definitely: anything we cant prostitute to the US we will flog to china

Corbyn defending SC (I didn't get to see the video as it wouldn't load so 2nd hand) was not a good look.

A lot of Corbyn's current rhetoric around free movement is extremely concerning. He has stood up against racism and supported migrants in the past but his most recent pronouncements are extremely concerning and risk legitimising racism, if they don't already.

Not sure why any member of the Shadow Cabinet would write for any paper bar Mirror or Guardian (and even then wrt the latter). There ought to be a ban and any MP writing for them should be warned that its going in the deselection file.

Ultimately you need to preach to the non-converted but virtually anything in the Sun is going to backfire on them enormously. An outright ban or deselection threats for talking to the press would only make things worse.

why do you think it would make things worse?

Yasmin Quersgi sounded like a Labour Trump about it this morning on Today - asked direct questions about the current apparent trend identified in the SC article and whether we/the police/the law should pay attention to it she just repeated that child abuse was wrong and done by a great many people on all sides. Humphries audibly frustrated by her inability to answer a very specific and tightly worded question.

Think we should concentrate on ~men~ because that seems to be the group doing the abuse.

She didn't even seem to want to be drawn on that division.

Naturally the anti-left hacks who demanded Thornberry's resignation from the SC over ThoseFuckingEnglandFlags are concern-trolling over Champion's as evidence of Labour censorship or stifling of internal debate.

why do you think it would make things worse?

Corbyn ban on talking to the free press because Stalinism etc. Obviously this shit doesn't wash with a load of voters any more anyway but a straightforward "don't be a fucking moron and talk to a paper that wants to destroy you" guideline should be enough.

I don't know that there's any sensible answer to questions about an apparent trend - any conclusions anybody wants to draw about cultural motivations are going to be racist generalizations as far as I can see. As suzy says, I don't see very much brow-furrowing from MPs about what it is in the culture of men that makes them abusers

yes edicts are not going to be effective esp with the plp in the state it is, but I think shutting the papers out & starving them of credibility is the only longterm plan

I think Matt has it right, public moral pressure is plenty. I think it wouldn't kill the party to be more honest about its relationship to e.g. The Sun rather than continuing to pretend it's some neutral arbiter of the totality of working class opinion that can be courted

incidentally, 5 Live had Guido Fucking Fawkes on last night, presented as a contextless summarizer of the Sarah Champion story, which was one of the most blood-boilingly fucked up things i've heard from them yet

There's been a cross-party attack on The Sun article from over 100 MPs at least, as well as a joint complaint from Muslim and Jewish councils. Racist cunt Kavanagh on his usual 'sorry if you loony lefties were offended' defensive.

Previously, I thought Sarah Champion was brighter than this (mainly because she was ON IT in the election).

Cliques of grown men who hang out in take-aways and town centres looking for teen girl pumpum are present wherever there are men, and they always pick girls who (in their eyes) are other/lesser to them. My late vice-detective uncle had plenty of experience busting men like these.

Novara's Ash Sarkar has been great on Twitter about these specific incident(s) and the way they're reported in general including relating it to her experiences growing up and clubbing amidst exploitative and predatory (mostly white) older men.

That was definitely going on (but so too was the phenomenon of school leavers/ambitious sixth-formers getting writing/music industry jobs and with them, graduate/30yo boyfriends).

i blame the culture

A lot of Corbyn's current rhetoric around free movement is extremely concerning. He has stood up against racism and supported migrants in the past but his most recent pronouncements are extremely concerning and risk legitimising racism, if they don't already.

Like I've no doubt he doesn't believe a lot of the pronouncements (it hasn't translated into votes in parliament which is the real test) and they are being made to seem as being distorted by the media. Dangerous game.

ogmor otm their influence has been dented somewhat and they are not on Labour's side at all and the public that consumes that stuff knows it too. I don't its Stalinism so much. The papers would scream around Labour not wanting to connect to the public - but Labour have the muscle on the ground and social media game to run more targeted ads and the like and you can spin the media as an establishment that want to grind people down. It might also generate an open conversation about how damaging the papers and their spread of disinformation has been.

btw, the news that Khan and Burnham might not even have speeches at conference (in favour of activists) was good as well. Has the additional effect of sticking it to the garbage centrist MPs that still need to be kicked.

there won't be a deselection list -- even if mandatory reselection for every MP is reintroduced at conference, deselection is up to local parties, not a central body

and there isn't a central body it can be reliably centralised *to* as long as the PLP and the NEC are so at odds with momentum, which has anyway grown and thrived on a considerable measure of decentralisation: the reanimation of local parties, and -- alongside picking up a lot of new members, esp,younger members -- the return of a lot of members estranged in the nu-lab years. the logic of decentralisation will continue to leave space for maverick MPs who are also good or popular constituency MPs

long story short: frank field will still be be lab MP for birkenhead in 3017

not if Van Helsing finds him

FF reminds me of Barry "I'm not a lobbyist, just Chairman of a lobbying company" Sheerman. He's been on the graft and generally been a slimy professional-politician since '79 in my region. Nobody has a good word to say about him, yet his majority gets bigger every year!

being a Tory who wandered into the wrong party by mistake gets confused as being a principled maverick

We must launch a new party, called the Milkshake Duck Party, to take votes from awful Labour!

[5 mins later]

Why does the Left hate ducks?

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) August 18, 2017

^^^best summary of centrist aka jolyonspasm twitter over the last few days

My views on ducks and left politics are well-documented, fuck this douche

kill the bill

lol

the jolyon that fucks windmills is some guy

There was a genuine Jolyon being all sadface about the Owen Jones piece on a centrish pal's FB and I had to stifle a giggle.

even if mandatory reselection for every MP is reintroduced at conference, deselection is up to local parties, not a central body

But I think this kind of move will push toward a tighter scrutiny on what the likes Frank Field or Neil Coyle are doing. Again if more people and the composition of local parties change so that the agenda of the leadership and members is aligned it should be harder and may bring about deselections if they continue to hold members in contempt.

I guess what I am saying is its not hopeless lets see how it develops.

So McDonalds workers are going on strike - a great day and again, Labour has made this kind of thing happen. Really important to have that support for strikes.

R.I.P Wes Streeting

I support McDonald’s workers who have balloted to strike for the first time in the UK over fair pay and conditions. https://t.co/TabOD9s95Q pic.twitter.com/7hL9dKBXX6

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) August 18, 2017

In tomorrow's Mail, Tory MPs demand Big Ben is used to bong us out of EU at midnight on 31 March 2019 #Brexit 🇬🇧🕰

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) August 18, 2017

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/aug/18/neoliberalism-the-idea-that-changed-the-world
This is probably rookie shit to some of you wise heads on here, but I found this long piece on Hayek vs Keynes and the progression of Neoliberalism from an idea to the only prevalent system, a right good read.

it can't be explicated often enough tbh

Grenfell happened just over two months ago. https://t.co/jovvDuHO9Z

— Marie Le Conte (@youngvulgarian) August 19, 2017

The embedded tweet in case it doesn't show up:

Ex-deputy speaker Nigel Evans MP: "Health and safety have achieved what nobody other than the Luftwaffe has done since the Second World War" https://t.co/0kxNTCeJKT

— Christopher Hope 📝 (@christopherhope) August 18, 2017

Pam Ayres ‏Verified account @PamAyres Aug 18

What's Big Ben without its bong?
Why the silence for so long?
Act now, all Big Ben befrienders!
Donate sets of ear defenders.

Great work from the ONS:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/24/almost-all-international-students-leave-uk-after-finishing-studies

Estimate that 'up to 100,00' foreign students overstay their visas each year.

Put out a statement that the 100k figure is 'experimental'.

Actually check and find that it might be a couple of thousand and they're not even necessarily staying illegally.

As a chaser, miscalculate the tuition fees they're paying by about £2.1bn.

And as if 100K was a problematic figure in the first place.

The bigger problem is that racists will just point to this as 'see how easily the stats are wrong - that's how we reckon there are way more migrants than what they say there is'.

laura pidcock 4 pm

https://i.redd.it/1dajcx7k4khz.jpg

Ms Pidcock, who is a vocal supporter of Jeremy Corbyn, said: "My very very initial reflections are that there are two basic types of Tory. You’ve got the ones – like Boris Johnson – who are so blinded by their own privilege and have never experienced hardship, that they genuinely seem unable to see what it’s like in our communities.

"If they see someone in tears from the sheer weight of everything that’s being piled on top of them their reaction is, ‘oh you’re being very dramatic’.

"The other type is completely ideologically driven. They seem genuinely to believe capitalism is the best way to improve society and it blinds them to the evidence under their nose.

"Whatever type they are, I have absolutely no intention of being friends with any of them."

She said this is because she considers them "the enemy".

Ms Pidcock explained: "The idea that they’re not the enemy is simply delusional when you see the effect they have on people".

Heh yeah I followed her on Twitter as soon as I saw that :D

Fucking August...

Pidcock only echoing what Dennis Skinner has said numerous times to zero fuss.

crucial difference for telegraph readers, tho, is dennis skinner's soundbites being delivered by *gasp* a young woman

real monocle-into-the-cormflakes material for the bufton-tufton set

Labour needs more Laura Pidcocks and less centrist cocks

wikipedia facts abt tufton victor hamilton beamish, baron chelwood (for tufton bufton is he):

"He avoided being captured at the fall of Singapore by taking to a rowing boat with seven other men. The men rowed to Sumatra but upon reaching their destination they found that it too had fallen to the Japanese…"

"He was strongly opposed to the Soviet Union's domination of Eastern Europe to which he addressed himself in his 1950 book Must Night Fall? In 1970, he published a book, Half Marx, warning against the rise of the extreme left in the Labour Party. His other noted publication was a book on the Battle of Lewes (1264) between King Henry III and Simon de Montfort, but he is most noted for his interest in nature conservancy"

His daughter is a ScotLab MSP, obviously

This "both sides" bollocks annoys me no end:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate

On the one hand yes Traingate turns out to be bollocks but on the other did u no that one of the directors of the company that revealed the new footage is actually the guy filming the original footage?