Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

Well, at least he's got "Make An Offer" activated.

For reference on the guitar price:

http://proguitarshop.com/andyscorner/10-most-expensive-guitars-ever-so-far

the drum machine is killing me. you can buy that exact same model right now - new - for a hundred bucks or so. the "1979" beat is pretty simple, anyone can recreate it. ahahahhahahahhhahah this is so great

The most expensive item to sell thus far is an Ovation acoustic for $15K. It was used to record Mayonaise, which is my favorite jam of theirs, so seems reasonableish, maybe? It's about a tenfold markup.

https://reverb.com/item/6319266-ovation-elite-1758-12-string-1990-owned-by-billy-corgan-siamese-dream-mayonaise

yes that's very reasonable, Mayonaise is one of their most famous & beloved songs. I didn't expect any of this stuff to be listed above 50k but wow, Bill surprises again.

'Mayonaise' is okay - probably wouldn't make a list of my 30 favourite Pumpkins tracks, but I like it fine. Awful title for a song, though... I've never liked it.

I've never cared much for it either, never understood the intense love for it. even for Billy, "I - JUST - WANT - TO BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE - ME!" is just a little too on the nose. then again, do birds fly? Good song, but it wouldn't even make my top 50.

agreed abt the title but y'all are crazy, crown jewel of the album imho

otm

It is a terrible title and an even worse foodstuff.

The title rules!

all relative with SP1 for me, imo they never released a bad song. Mayo rules, there's a lot I could say about it (that clean lead intro, the glorious phased out gtr solo, the main chord progression), but it's not a red letter song for me.

Disarm as arranged and recorded on SD is prob my least favorite SP1 song. The solo mellotron drone version Billy did last year at the In Plainsong shows was beautiful & soaring - the SD arrangement imo is too saccharine & cliched.

how is the title good or bad it's just a word

it's an amazing song too, you probably just overplayed it

I mean a random non offensive word

Never overplayed it, I always found it overwrought and too long. Hummer is a minute longer & goes so much further than Mayo, which has the same chord progression throughout & just drags.

But those feedback squalls are incredible

just one of those "random word that's not in the lyrics" titles that bugs me, along with "soma" and "silverfuck" it's one too many and meant it took me forever to actually learn which song was which by name. "rocket" is the only one of these that really kills it imho in catching the feel/point of the song.

otm, humbly disagree about soma and silverfuck tho. rocket is the best example of this on SD for sure

huh fair enough to each his-her own

"Mayonaise" is by far my favorite Smashing Pumpkins song, expect it to be in the Top 10 when ILM does their poll.

Mayonaise is the most MBV song of the Pumpkins' - at least I think that's why I like it. Apart from the vocals and the solo it could slot right into Loveless.

There's plenty to like about 'Mayonaise', particularly the guitar sounds/use of feedback, but while it undoubtedly rules as much as anything the Pumpkins were doing at the time, I can think of plenty of SP tracks that mean more to me.

Siamese Dream is all about the epics for me at this stage - 'Hummer', 'Soma', 'Silverfuck' ...

Hoping against hope this isn't true: http://blastecho.com/exclusive-darcy-wretzky-will-not-be-part-of-impending-smashing-pumpkins-reunion/

False alarm. D'arcy's phone was hacked. Source was obviously bogus from the beginning. Carry on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yemSxnGKc6s

Well it's sure looking like D'arcy isn't going to be involved. Strange. I wonder what went on.

Anyway, seeing Billy/James/Jimmy play together some more would be pretty darn cool.

A five day countdown started on the website a few hours ago... http://www.smashingpumpkins.com

I haven't been totally keeping up, what's the announcement meant to be - reunion, tour, album?

Maybe those last remasters can fucking finally get released.

Could be wrong, but I don't think it's a new album -- Billy was recently pictured recording some songs with James/Jimmy/Jeff Schroeder in the studio, but from what I understand they were just guesting on a WPC album. I would guess it's going to be a new tour (sans D'arcy), tying in with the 25-year anniversary of Siamese Dream. On Billy's Instagram there was a cool photo of twins looking suspiciously like older versions of the SD cover kids.

But please God let it not be about professional wrestling.

No, it's a new Pumpkins album. Billy recorded his new solo record in Nashville with Howard Willing a couple months ago. The Pumpkins have been working with Rick Rubin at his studio in LA for the past several weeks. The record isn't done so the announcement is probably about a world tour and the promise of a new record relatively soon.

and who cares if he does pro wrestling stuff? he's still doing that. he can do both, whatever

Given Iha’s still in A Perfect Circle and they just announced their own new album and tour, I’d like to see how different this reunion is from any other post-2000 version of the band.

APC is only booked thru early July. I didn't expect any SP shows until the summer. Given that, and the very much unfinished state of the new album, I'm just surprised the announcement is so early. There are billboards with the SP heart in NYC right now.

An entire album about pro wrestling might be the only Pumpkins album I'd buy in 2018.

Well it's sure looking like D'arcy isn't going to be involved. Strange. I wonder what went on.

This is like the least strange and wonder-needing thing that could possibly surround a Smashing Pumpkins reunion. I don't follow the band at all, but afaik for the last two decades D'Arcy is a) not generally considered good enough to play on their records by the band leader, and b) likely not healthy enough to do a major tour.

(That said, to Ned's question about what differentiates this from other 21C reunions

she's apparently been healthier in recent years & over the last two years of these reunion rumours Billy had repeatedly mentioned that he was on good terms with her again so it is disappointing she doesn't seem to be involved

(that said, to Ned's question: it seems any time Corgan uses the name it's mainly to goose sales, but as a non-fan this looks like a more whole-hearted attempt to capture a "band" feel than any previous reunion!)

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healthier is great! but well enough in all relevant ways to be a full member of a touring band (and to maintain that health in those circumstances) is a different thing

wishing her very well as a person and, in distant second, as a musician, would probably go hand in hand with not wishing her to be involved with this just for the old times' sake of promo photos and videos that we watched a quarter of a century ago

BC is savvy enough to know (and has said as much) that the nostalgia factor of seeing the full original band was going to be massive, and it’s well documented that he’s been in contact with D’arcy and James for a year or more. So yes, I’m interested to know what conversations went on between BC and DW.

Big purple billboard in Times Square now: “THE IMPOSSIBLE IS POSSIBLE TONIGHT”

So, Corgan, hologram Prince, Jason Bonham and Victor Wooten?

what is so hard about Smashing Pumpkins bass parts?

Getting a permanent bassist, apparently.

They should at least try to get Melissa Auf Der Mar back if D’arcy is not in

Big purple billboard in Times Square now: “THE IMPOSSIBLE IS POSSIBLE TONIGHT”

Oh so they ARE releasing the final remasters.

(Yes I will harp on this point.)

Put me down as a skeptic about the whole 'D'arcy sucks at bass' narrative. I've never been to any of their shows but I've been listening to some of the real early live stuff on archive.org and she doesn't sound bad on any of them afaict

They should at least try to get Melissa Auf Der Mar back if D’arcy is not in

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:03 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Melissa is fantastic and they really should

Put me down as a skeptic about the whole 'D'arcy sucks at bass' narrative. I've never been to any of their shows but I've been listening to some of the real early live stuff on archive.org and she doesn't sound bad on any of them afaict

yeah Ive seen old live footage she seems fine. Billy always acts like Pumpkins is some crazy mind-blowing shit it's gonna
hilarious, and agreed about the sexism/Meg White factor

I'm sure the overwhelming reason Billy played in the studio was that he's an arrogant asshole

To be fair Butch Vig is the one that suggested he play their parts when they did Gish, only because they had limited time & money & Billy could do it quicker & James and D’arcy agreed.