defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

Trump bought into a lot more of Bannon's ideology than his fp, lol

Not that that has anything to do with what I'm getting at.

gg is either supporting the democracy principle even when it results in things he doesn't like, and/or he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's" - both seem justifiable positions to me. what's insanely stupid is that he's talking about mcmaster and mattis as tho they're unelected officials undermining the potus's agenda but the potus appointed both of them and can fire both of them - they are a result of the democratic will, not some kind of anti-trump alliance.

he is more in favor of bannon's isolationist/nativist fp than the "deep state's"

This is my assumption (because your first solution is undermined by your explanation in the next few sentences), and I'm noting there might be some overlap between his frustrated patriotism and the isolationism/nativism.

Bump

Expanding scope of thread to include general douchiness and asshattery at The Intercept:

https://www.theroot.com/hey-i-can-play-this-game-too-guys-1819822866

FOIA requests are a tactic used to expose vast corruption, dirty cops and human rights abuses, not to snoop after other journalists who say things you don’t like. I guess Fang was hoping to find some type of nefarious collusion between me and the Stacey Abrams campaign (which is ironic, since I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion).

I’m surprised that Fang thinks I’d be dumb enough to communicate with any political source on my work email. That’s Journalism 101. He might need to retake that class; I’ll save him a seat when I teach it next fall.

I honored the FOIA request, but I didn’t have anything to give him because there was nothing to give.

lol @ Angry Loomis though

Recent great hires at The Intercept have forced me off of my position to never read anything sponsored by that site curated by racist Rand Paul-curious dishonest libertarian Russian stooge Glenn Greenwald.

I was wondering if you bumped this thread because of Loomis.

I read LGM every morning but Loomis' old-dude-discovers-Facebook prose style gets on my nerves at times.

I get aggravated at Loomis because he is so prolific and knowledgeable it makes me feel like a bum

I thought The Intercept didn’t believe in collusion

ooh "sick burn" I believe it's called

boring thread, boring Democrats, boring world

"a bunch of frustrated Bernie Bro friends"

(psst, stopped reading here)

this sensationalist bullshit wasn't fact-checked with anybody who actually works in the field - but as soon as they got some scans on russian hackers targeting election systems, they immediately went to their IC buddies for corroboration.

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/19/voice-recognition-technology-nsa/

fuck the intercept, fuck omidyar, and fuck greenwald. the entire first look media enterprise is a unprincipled tabloid trash fire that makes the new york times editorial page and chris cillizza smell like fucking roses

do you mean the NYT op-ed page

yeah, being serious, I'll take that part back - nyt editorials are implicated in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths so, fine, first look media is superior

Dude shared an article from The Federalist today.

need more data

With an open mind, please read @MZHemingway on how the US media's mindless, shocking acceptance of every claim from "Hamilton68" - a group formed by Bill Kristol, CIA officials & various neocons - has deceived millions w/false stories. It's a scandal https://t.co/Gn6w398cVA

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 22, 2018

here's the piece in question if we're interested in more than just gotcha stuff - which on this thread ilx basically isn't

best things about the piece: has a link to a video of Adrien Chen appearing on MSNBC and a link to this Masha Gessen article.

I was looking for support in the article for the claim that Hamilton 68 has deceived millions , but I didn’t see it.

Would have been better to just link the Gessen piece (although there’s some super questionable cherry picking in that) instead of effectively endorsing someone’s argument that Nunes should be taken at face value. Chen was good on Hayes but his pints probably shouldn’t be appropriated for the goal post shifting of others.

Reading the piece with an open mind. First line: Last week, Laurence Tribe suggested, without evidence, that a plane crash in Russia was related to fallout from the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Um no, we're done here. What the fuck is wrong with this dude?

you have fucking evidence for everything, dontcha, Fuckerik?

but lol you do have an open mind (I can feel the draft from here)

What on earth is wrong with you to?

here doll

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-WaPo-paidresearch-14

I was gonna say, if that's the controversial part, I thought that was pretty well known?

I think Fred took issue with the linkage to a plane crash in Russia without evidence

IIRC Tribe tweeted about the crash that supposedly killed a political enemy, who it turned out wasn't on the plane? (I can't recall if he explicitly suggested it was tied to the dossier's contents.)

Holy christ that anyone on here would be okay with calling this 'the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign'

That's like Benghazi-level right wing conspiracy language.

buuuut it's troo?

so ja i'm OK with it

the gessen piece is worthy of some discussion on a different thread imho

I think I already linked it.....somewhere, at some point. all these threads move fast.

Morbs, you're insane. It's not true, it's what the Devin Nunes spin says. Are you watching Fox News all day?

Wait, are we going along with the implication that that alone makes the dossier info less credible or just saying it’s fair to acknowledge it began as oppo research?

The latter.

yes

F, get some help

She is clearly not saying the latter. She is calling the whole Russian investigation fallout from the dossier, which is the Nunes bullshit.

"Hillary Clinton is a lizard person who didn't visit Wisconsin"
"Holy shit, what's wrong with this idiot?"
"What?!?!?! She didn't visit Wisconsin. FUCKYOUFUCKYOURAKJSBRÅOAUBÅTGBÅ"

She refers to it as “the discredited dossier” at one point.

presumably GG is not endorsing every single assertion by Ms Hemingway

but really guys keep yr trashfire going

That’s true. Shouldn’t discount possibility that he only the part of the article that mentioned him.

morbs your favorite crew is shilling for a hack opportunist, how u feel??

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/emilys-list-laura-moser-texas-congress/

pretty good debate

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/21/video-glenn-greenwald-and-james-risen-debate-the-trumprussia-investigation/

tetra, i don't even care to click, and my fave crew is the '73 Mets

actually dude, most anything that pisses off EMILY's List is fine with me

One of his best moments

Yes, I do. And I'd be happy to bet you any amount of money that he will.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 18, 2018

would find greenwald perfectly defensible if he never tweeted

most of his tweets are fine tbh

Amazing. Apparently his defense is that he confused him with his father. Believing that Ron Paul would react any differently is just as stupid, though.

He probably is a libertarian more than a progressive.