Bits of The Departed are the funniest shit ever
"I'm the guy who does his fucking job, you must be the other guy" vs. the rat symbolizes obviousness
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1dFYHNCpy4
Wolf ... Oh yeah, I guess that was funny (though classically speaking, more a tragedy than a comedy).
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTaVxTmB5k4
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
haven't seen his cable Public Speaking w/ Fran Lebowitz
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
WoWS was non-stop lolz for me
but I thought Morbz was referring to Shutter Island hahah
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
WOWS completely a comedy
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
GoodFellas *is* a comedy, really.
When they found Sepe in the meat truck, he was frozen so stiff it took them two days to thaw him out for the autopsy.(pause) Still, I never saw Jimmy so happy. He was like a kid.
― nomar, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
Hugo had a pretty heavy comedic streak... does anyone remember it winning 5 Oscars?
WoWS died when McConnahey left
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
WOWS is basically a confirmation that Scorsese is an exceptional comedy director, he's always been good with comic timing though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM44eaasx0Y
― nomar, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
well that's not the scene i meant to put in, it's more about the actors here, but it's pretty damn funny
― nomar, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
I was just being pedantic about it. Classically, tragedy is when the characters' fates can't be averted (hence, Wolf ends up more or less where it begins). A comedy is when characters end up different than they began. Over the years "tragedy" has come to mean "sad," but twas not always so. Romeo & Juliet is a perfect example of a tragedy/comedy hybrid. I may be muddling this ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
Comedy is when I lol
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
As discussed, that makes a lot of Scorsese comedy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
anyway, from the wiki on Sheeran:
"The assassination of President Kennedy was a Mafia hit, according to Sheeran, who did not actively participate in the plot, but who transported three rifles to the alleged assassins via David Ferrie."
Pesci played Ferrie in JFK, maybe he can do a dual role.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
to be fair robert deniro is generally cast as italian american characters
Aside from young Vito Corleone and Jake LaMotta, his most well-known roles are almost certainly named Travis Bickle and Jack Byrnes. Other well-known roles include noted Italians Rupert Pupkin, Jimmy Doyle, Michael Vronsky, 'Noodles' Aaronson, Harry Tuttle, Jack Walsh, Jimmy Conway, Max Cady, Ace Rothstein, Neil McCauley . . . gtf with "generally," I'd say fewer than 10% of his roles are recognizable or inferably "Italian."
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
Ferrie how?
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
XP Scorsese casts him as Irish, that's your case p much
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
nah, that's 7 different directors accounted for there. (Scorsese, Cimono, Leone, Mann, Gilliam, Jay Roach, and Martin Brest.)
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
In fact, aside from Marty, the only times he's been cast as unequivocally Italian have been in movies nobody saw, "Shark Tale" (playing off his Godfather role), and Harold Ramis's "Analyze This/That."
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
Are you mcsplaining rite now
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
you fuckers are darraghmac is making this thread tedious in an entirely different way than i expected you would
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
If I've only one thing on you it's unpredictability bucko
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
How many FPs will I get if I say that #actually I am wopsplaining?
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
Ah jaysus
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
Who is playing the Irishman
Is the obvious question. At least DiCaprio isn't in it.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
So CG bob d doing an Irish accent, sounds fun I'm in
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:05 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
there's at least 20 films he's appeared in where he plays a character with an italian name. he has made a ton of films mind you, so this probably only accounts for a 1/5 or so of them.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
Frank Sheeran was born in Darby, Pennsylvania. Not the accent you expect. xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
Frank Sheeran was born in Darby, Pennsylvania,[2] a small working-class borough on the outskirts of Philadelphia. His family was of Irish and Swedish descent. He grew to his full adult height of 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) while serving in the Army during World War II.
Pesci should have played him.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
Ok now I have one foot in and one foot out
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
I thought silence was really good. Does anyone rep for deniro anymore?
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
He grew to his full adult height of 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) while serving in the Army during World War II
hoping this scene makes it into the film tbh
― mark s, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
The American.
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
XP lol
finally, the scorsese/romano team-up we've been clamouring for all these years
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:33 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Everybody Loves Gimme Shelter
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
yeah the presence of RR is a misgiving
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
all joking aside, he was really good in dirty grandpa
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
I never watched Everybody Loves Raymond and really have zero interest in him but found him surprisingly decent in Vinyl (which was otherwise awful) and the Big Sick
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
I thought silence was really good. Does anyone rep for deniro anymore?all joking aside, he was really good in dirty grandpa
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:43 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also irish-american. establishing his bonafides as the actor for irish-american roles in hollywood
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
look i cannae deny the man's a chameleon but
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
tbf i'd probably i'd have a problem if it was called irish grandpa
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
more still if it was dirty irish
"My Big Fat Irish Grandpa". Sequel?
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
He could amaze us all by doing the Jake La Motta putting weight on thing again.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Grand fellas
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
I liked Romano in "Vinyl" but Cannavale has no range and is hammy af
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
Range... Pesci?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
Also delivered in The Intern.
― Eazy, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:04 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
some bold opinions here
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 8 August 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
I agree Cannavale is pretty one-note. also he was *terrible* in VINYL. acceptable as loathsome villain in Boardwalk Empire I suppose.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
id say that the idea that we are using the male leads of scorseses gangster movies as our moral arbitration committee is so easily and often debunked that im not even gonna
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
lol true, but they are the leads, and it is their story, and they take up the majority of the screen time, which doesn't always lead to the most nuanced of female portrayals, at least in his gangster films. I did not find, say, Leo et al. sympathetic in Wolf, and when women in that one are treated like meat it's clearly (to me) a negative reflection on the amoral male characters, who outright pursue amorality and hedonism not as spoils, but for the sake of it. Yet the male leads in his gangster films seem to be slightly more romanticized, despicable people but often forced to adhere to that type not strictly because of a moral failing but because of a code or a system or something they're stuck with. Or as this movie puts it, "it's what it is."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
If you think Hill, Rothstein, or Sheeran are romanticized idk what to tell you, Hill is clearly an oaf whose almost only half a gangster who isn’t even good at it, he just enjoys the ride for as long as he can until he decided to run his own scheme and it promptly destroys the lives of everyone around him (some of them his ultimately vv fair weather friends), Rothstein is a cold dude who can’t even relate to people in a normal way, he’s similarly not in control, he’s at the mercy of those around him, and ultimately is exiled and alone with his numbers. Sheeran obv is a pathetic character, who’s never even living the life, he’s just doing what he’s told for no true reward and it leaves him abandoned and even more alone. The thing about all of those protagonists is their gangster lives are ones w illusions of power and control, only kept alive by luck and the good will of others which all too easily can disappear. It’s the stories of three men lucky enough to not get killed but unlucky enough to have chosen a certain path with certain types of people even worse than they are, and it leaves them all with nothing.
― omar little, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
They’re not more romanticized than the female leads nor more nuanced I think by nature supporting characters don’t get the same screen time but Karen and Ginger are fairly nuanced in their own ways, nuances overshadowed by charismatic and large type performances. Interesting to me is how Hill keeps fucking Karen over but she’s his only true ally in the end. And interesting how Ginger can’t escape the life so she stays in it and escapes to Sam’s best friend, at first out of desperation, later maybe as a desperate gamble to enlist him to kill Sam. They’re good characters.
― omar little, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I guess I meant romanticized in the sense that they are entertaining, charismatic characters deigned to hold your attention. Though yeah, Sheeran (and most of the dudes) in this one are all pretty pathetic, with Sheeran maybe the most sociopathic of them all. I suppose the lack of charisma *is* the hook in The Irishman. This is def. the least of the three to plays as An Entertainment, and maybe the only that could also be titled Dead Inside.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:03 (four years ago) link
Criterion release extras:
https://www.criterion.com/films/30553-the-irishman
New 4K digital master, approved by director Martin Scorsese, with Dolby Atmos soundtrack on the Blu-rayNewly edited roundtable conversation among Scorsese and actors Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Joe Pesci, originally recorded in 2019New documentary about the making of the film featuring Scorsese; the lead actors; producers Emma Tillinger Koskoff, Jane Rosenthal, and Irwin Winkler; director of photography Rodrigo Prieto; and others from the cast and crewNew video essay written and narrated by film critic Farran Smith Nehme about The Irishman’s synthesis of Scorsese’s singular formal styleThe Evolution of Digital De-aging, a 2019 program on the visual effects created for the filmArchival interview excerpts with Frank “the Irishman” Sheeran and International Brotherhood of Teamsters trade union leader Jimmy HoffaAn essay by critic Geoffrey O’Brien
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
The Irishman’s synthesis of Scorsese’s singular formal style
Does that mean anything? If you have a unique formal style, you have it; what's being synthesized?
― clemenza, Thursday, 20 August 2020 05:15 (three years ago) link
1.) Someone finally made a movie about how violent Irishmen are.
2.) Plenty of times it looked like Robin Williams was playing the lead character. Or John Wayne.
3.) Can't shake the idea that this is Marty's big send-off, getting the gang back together for one last hurrah. Until 2039 when A.I. finishes The Irishman II.
4.) How come they didn't CGI Pacino's eyes to be blue either?
5.) And it was still Pacino the whole time. Even Jack Nicholson melted into that character better.
6.) Kudos for not having Danny DeVito thrown into the the fire with him though.
In all, yes it was a good movie. How could it not have been? The way Scorsese keeps putting Pesci in these roles where he's either too old or too short for the part, and yet, he keeps hitting them out of the park is a wonder.
But I never could get used to the CGI. Pesci's head looks like it's floating on top of his body in some scenes. Body doubles seemed more obvious than ever. Pacino almost looked like the baby from the Wayans Brothers movie at some points. How foolish would it have been if CGI had been around in 1973 and Brando got to play DeNiro's part in Godfather II? Brando one of the greatest actors of all time, and still, it would've looked wrong.
Was I able to suspend my belief and enjoy this? Yeah. Not sure why I needed to though.
6.) Kudos for not CGI'ing in the little kid from The Piano to play Peggy.
― pplains, Monday, 26 February 2024 01:18 (two months ago) link