rolling explaining conservatism

On the whole "rationalization and defense of privilege" tip

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/opinion/sunday/white-resentment-affirmative-action.html

That so many of these policies are based on perception and lies rather than reality is nothing new. White resentment has long thrived on the fantasy of being under siege and having to fight back, as the mass lynchings and destruction of thriving, politically active black communities in Colfax, La. (1873), Wilmington, N.C. (1898), Ocoee, Fla. (1920), and Tulsa, Okla. (1921), attest. White resentment needs the boogeyman of job-taking, maiden-ravaging, tax-evading, criminally inclined others to justify the policies that thwart the upward mobility and success of people of color.

The last half-century hasn’t changed that. The war on drugs, for example, branded African-Americans and Latinos as felons, which stripped them of voting rights and access to housing and education just when the civil rights movement had pushed open the doors to those opportunities in the United States.

Similarly, the intensified war on immigrants comes, not coincidentally, at the moment when Latinos have gained visible political power, asserted their place in American society and achieved greater access to schools and colleges. The ICE raids have terrorized these communities, led to attendance drop-offs in schools and silenced many from even seeking their legal rights when abused.

The so-called Election Integrity Commission falls in the same category. It is a direct response to the election of Mr. Obama as president. Despite the howls from Mr. Trump and the Republicans, there was no widespread voter fraud then or now. Instead, what happened was that millions of new voters, overwhelmingly African-American, Hispanic and Asian, cast the ballots that put a black man in the White House. The punishment for participating in democracy has been a rash of voter ID laws, the purging of names from the voter rolls, redrawn district boundaries and closed and moved polling places.

Affirmative action is no different. It, too, requires a narrative of white legitimate grievance, a sense of being wronged by the presence of blacks, Latinos and Asians in positions that had once been whites only. Lawsuit after lawsuit, most recently Abigail Fisher’s suit against the University of Texas, feed the myth of unqualified minorities taking a valuable resource — a college education — away from deserving whites.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/08/11/nsc_conspiracist_rich_higgins_interview_with_ginni_thomas_great_stuff.html

it's all the left's fault. they have normalized hate and racism. the left's insistence that a vote for trump was a vote for racism has convinced real racists that millions of americans are on their side. you libtards have given them permission to stage a hate fueled rally by lying to them and yourselves about the reality that most republicans loathe them as much as you do

the comments. oh my god

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/14/donald-trump-condemns-hate-groups/

there was a time when i would wade into that. but i just can't

Yeah I just don't feel like I owe it any of my mind space anymore.

You should pay rent in my mind.

hey I'm struggling enough to pay my rent irl

wading in that cesspool is how I spent my early to mid twenties. I remember even encountering KKK members on fucking ESPN's NBA message boards when I popped on to talk about Tracy McGrady. the shit was and is everywhere and you eventually have to disengage from it or you'll feel overwhelmingly sick all the time.

on the other hand it taught me that people are generally garbage so I guess it was useful to a degree.

"George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? ...Are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? OK, good. Are we going to take down his statue, because he was a major slave owner. Now we're going to take down his statue. So you know what? It's fine. You're changing history, you're changing culture, and you had people — and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side — you can call them the left, you just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that's the way it is…I think there's blame on both sides. I don't have any doubt about it and you don't have any doubt it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say it."

pure cut "conservative" derp

"America did not go to war against the naziss because of their ideals. America went to war to boost its economy, to regain lost posessions in Asia and new ones, because the American public were duped to believe that Germany might invade the USA at some point and because Roosevelt didn't want any European power to become the most powerful nation in the world, not even the British. He wanted America to become the most powerful nation in the world."

martin luther what?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/gotta-watch-this

ooo - gloves are coming off

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/25/gary-cohn-criticizes-donald-trumps-response-charlottesville/

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/09/07/curse-of-the-woke-conservatives-n2377758

May the world not be destroyed by a man given ultimate power by people hypnotized by theoretical love for other people's unborn children.

— David Dark (@DavidDark) January 27, 2017

cross posting from the atlantic thread

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/it-takes-a-nation-of-snowflakes/541050/

People have to be careful because at some point I fight back. You know, I’m being very nice. I’m being very, very nice. But at some point I fight back and it won’t be pretty.

He knew what he signed up for.

you made us pick a side. it's not our fault. it's yours

overheard in the office (old school hardass military dude): "athletes need to learn that people don't want to hear them talk about politics"

these people just live in a totally different world, they just believe what they want to believe

Big hat enthusiast (R, male) attacks political opponent (D, female) for her big hat.

she's an empty barrel . . . ?

At the end of the briefing, he said that he would take questions only from those members of the press who had a personal connection to a fallen soldier, followed by those who knew a Gold Star family.

POO: empty barrel v. basket of deplorables

what is this 1950?

Uranium deal to Russia, with Clinton help and Obama Administration knowledge, is the biggest story that Fake Media doesn't want to follow!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2017

It’s easy to throw rocks at somebody simply because they have money. And that’s what I’m trying to address. We don’t need to create this class warfare of, "You have, and I don’t, therefore I’m going to punish you, and use the government as the punishment tool." We’re better as a country than that. And we want a country that creates innovation and creates hope, so that somebody growing up in poverty can be successful, could be wealthy, if they invent an idea and they take it all the way to success. Why do we have to continue to divide our country along these lines? It’s a mystery to me.

reposting this here

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/787fdh/after_gold_star_widow_breaks_silence_trump/dornc4n/

Yet another attempt: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/the-republican-roots-of-trumpism.html

lol at this from sykes:

This brings us to the politicians. Richard Nixon, who embraced the most aggressive versions of the Southern Strategy, was not a conservative of this school, but I do think that there was a temptation among the political class to use both cultural and racial issues to substitute for other issues. Conservatives too often gave in to that temptation. Even those who did not turned a blind eye to the grievances among folks whose vote they needed.

Fast-forward to 2016. Trump deftly exploited those grievances, and continues to do so. Rather than talk about health care, he attacks the NFL. It’s very much the old pattern.But: This doesn’t mean that people whose views were shaped by Hayek, von Mises, or Friedman are therefore responsible for the alt-right.

notice how sykes slyly fast fowards the conversation from the early 1970s to 2016 and then for some reason doesn't see a connection between the alt-right and the Republican Party of those 40+ years that he skipped over.

this sykes guy, he is trickyyyyy

He doesn't even mention a certain legislator whose name rhymes with Schmnwich.

if you're a connoisseur of pure grade 200 proof derp, do yourself a favor

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2017/10/carr_hillary_clinton_fbi_colluded_to_ambush_donald_trump

Trump likely already knew about Uranium 1 when he took office, and the day before Mueller began his investigations, he met with Trump (we know that they met). It's likely that Trump told Mueller that they knew about U1 and his involvement with it. Trump made a deal to let Mueller off the hook if he helped him drain the swamp. Next week will likely see Trump exonerated in regards to "muh Russia" and prosecutions at those who tried to undermine his presidency using the dossier to illegally wiretap his campaign.

Admiral Rogers of the NSA was the one that informed Trump of the fact that he was being wiretapped (they moved their campaign transition HQ out of Trump Tower after this meeting). And Admiral Rogers still has his job. It's highly likely that the NSA has been providing Trump with the necessary dirt to go after the scumbags within our government, and he's using that get people to rat out and turn state's evidence/witness with what's to come.

Trump is already tweeting things that indicate what's going to happen next week. And sure as shit isn't going to be about him colluding with Putin.

"The KGB funded the takedown of Nixon. Hillary laundered all the money. She and Mr. Putin are colluding to make Mr. Trump look bad, a deal brokered by Paul Manafort, I mean, Robert Mueller, in exchange for uranium sales and Trump Tower Moscow. Tax cuts."

DO SOMETHING!

The real collusion scandal, as we've said several times before, has EVERYTHING to do with the CLINTON CAMPAIGN, Fusion GPS, and Russia. There's CLEAR EVIDENCE of the CLINTON CAMPAIGN colluding with Russian intelligence, to spread disinformation, and smear the President.

I believe that individuals are happiest and most fulfilled when they form their own opinions, assume responsibility for their own actions, and spend the fruits of their own labor as they see fit. I believe that a collection of individuals making their own decisions within the confines of a clear and concise set of laws that they have determined for themselves will advance society much more effectively than will a collection of experts who are confident in their knowledge of what is best for everyone else. This is why I support conservatives, who favor a smaller, less powerful government.

that's from the Mercer memo after he bravely sold his shares in Breitbart to his daughters.

you can quibble with his assumptions, and the hypocrisy of his own actions with respect to his stated beliefs, but to me this seems to get to the core of what conservatives think that they believe, the story they tell themselves. their story always seem to leave out the absolutism that drives these goals. e.g. they want people to assume total financial responsibility for their own actions and the consequences of "bad luck" like cancer or getting laid off after your employer is bought out, so fuck any safety net

They also want people to take full financial responsibility for whether that they are trust fund babies rolling dough or the children of poverty and broke as a joke on the day they turn 18.

that they

hillary would have been worse

I have read the US Constitution and it makes me sooooo mad I want to spit.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believing_in_lies.html

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/13/reps-jordan-and-gaetz-special-counsel-needed-as-questions-mount-on-clinton-comey-russian-dossier-and-more.html

They should be looking at the Democrats. They should be looking at Podesta and all of that dishonesty. They should be looking at a lot of things. And a lot of people are disappointed in the Justice Department, including me.

we should tax student loans as income, so we can cut rates on the *job creators* even more. after all, if your parents can't afford to pay for college, then you don't really deserve to go

Basically, it exists to allow viewers to start their days confident that someone in the world is dumber than they are.

For three hours they sort of present an endless parade of liberal hypocrisy and celebrity stupidity, pitted against very ostentatious displays of patriotism and country music singers.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/trumpcast/2017/11/justin_peters_on_fox_news_hosts_and_why_the_network_won_t_change_on_trumpcast.html

man you'd have to be a total loser to be spending several hours every day collecting examples so you can obsess about the hypocrisy and cultural/moral faults of the other side

Is that your attempt at a sick burn on qualmsley

it doesn't take that long, adam

roll over for the trump / koch / mercer / mcconnell / ryan tax cuts. prosperity trickles down

For Republicans, cutting taxes is not the means to a policy end. It is the policy. That's it. Cut taxes because cutting taxes is inherently good and right. It's not "Cut taxes to stimulate economic growth." The second half of that sentence gets tacked on to appeal to the Beltway media and certain mushy centrist intellectual types. The goal is not economic growth. The start and the end of the process for the right is cutting taxes.

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2017/11/28/postmodern-policymaking/