Recommend Me Some Good Afro Jazz Albums, Plz

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for example: art ensemble, pharaoh sanders, khan jamal etc

i don't think erratic free jazz drumming on african drums is sufficient to establish afro jazz credentials

and i totally don't understand how coltrane fits into this, ditto sunny murray, cannonball, elvin, etc aside from song titles

i say this not to be some sort of gatekeeper for Afro jazz but just to point out that it means something specific (to me anyway) and applying it willy bully does a bit of a disservice to a group like oneness of juju or idris ackamoors pyramids who feature legit African rhythms and chants

the late great, Monday, 7 August 2017 02:59 (one year ago) Permalink

haha Willy bully should be Willy nilly

the late great, Monday, 7 August 2017 02:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Louis Moholo and Dudu Pukwana are mentioned above, but the whole universe of music that came out of The Blue Notes and their coterie is amazing. The Blue Notes recordings themselves are basically mid-60s Afro bop, and they're great, but after they moved to England they all did so many different things: Brotherhood of Breath, Spear, Assagai, Harry Miller's Isipingo and the totally essential "Blue Notess for Mongezi." Just a remarkable constellation of players, exploring a wide range of stuff and bringing South African influences into all kinds of settings.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 August 2017 02:59 (one year ago) Permalink

(I am no kind of Afro jazz specialist, but I got into Brotherhood of Breath some years back and started pulling on that string and it led to all of this other stuff I couldn't believe I'd never heard of.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 7 August 2017 03:00 (one year ago) Permalink

i guess i am just echoing shakey's point up thread about aeoc here but i felt like it should be made again

the late great, Monday, 7 August 2017 03:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I've never really quite thought of the category "Afro Jazz" before, so I've been questioning myself a lot when going through different material. And I've even done some retrospective questioning about some of what I suggested about, e.g., Khan Jamal. I've also listened to the Chico Freeman album I recommended above, and it's a very tenuous connection at best.So I appreciate the late great's questioning about these issues.

Obviously, there's a lot of overlap with "spiritual jazz", and likewise (as the late great notes) some African percussion doesn't really seem all that helpful a guideline. So I'm less sure if "Afro Jazz" is a useful category if we expand it beyond what is literally African.

But maybe there are some artists & albums that are not from Africa but that are much seriously indebted to African music than, for example, Khan Jamal or Chico Freeman. So maybe some paradigm cases of that sort could be helpful. But there's in fact not too many mentioned on this thread that I can really see as being "Afro Jazz" without being literally from Africa. The nearest case I can tell would be The Pyramids record mentioned above.

Pataphysician, Monday, 7 August 2017 03:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Oops, I missed the late great's suggestions of good paradigms: Idris Ackamoor & The Pyramids, as well as Oneness Of Juju. I'll have to check those out.

Pataphysician, Monday, 7 August 2017 03:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Pataphysician are you a new poster or just new username? Digging yr posts regardless, also reliably good posts from tlg.

sleeve, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 04:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm a longtime lurker, then a sporadic poster until recently. I'm thinking about writing up some impressions of albums in this vein that I've listened to (e.g., some of the Khan Jamal stuff), as well as doing so for other albums on the rolling jazz thread (e.g., Ed Kelly & Pharoah Sanders's album, as well as some Mal Waldron I've been listening to)

Also, no one here has mentioned Gétatchèw Mèkurya, but I'm guessing that's a familiar name (as well as not being quite in the vein of the original request).

Pataphysician, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 06:48 (one year ago) Permalink

tbf there is a lot of stuff on this thread whose connection to africa is more thematic than musical

I think this is totally legit and interesting point, which is why I walked back my AEOC recs

curious what Mordy's liked/listened to so far

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 15:58 (one year ago) Permalink

haha maybe I should've read the rest of the late great's posts first *high five*

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 15:59 (one year ago) Permalink

(which is not to say that AEOC aren't great cuz they are just maybe not what Mordy was talking about)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

the pyramids i knew but hadn't listened to in a while - they're great tho. similarly the sons of kemet album was def worth revisiting.

re new stuff - i really liked the art blakey & the jazz messengers - drum suite. i had slept on the Soweto Vol. 3 album but that has some good stuff on it (i thought it was a bit uneven but prob to be expected from comp type stuff). the salah ragab was great.

oneness of juju was totally unknown to me and that's another great find.

Mordy, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 16:24 (one year ago) Permalink

That reminds me: Oneness of Juju is also on the compilation Africafunk: The Original Sound Of 1970s Funky Africa, which is definitely worth seeking out!

Pataphysician, Thursday, 10 August 2017 05:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Just mentioning that Nigerian Afrobeat legend and master drummer Tony Allen has a rather nice "A Tribute To Art Blakey + the Jazz Messengers" EP out on Blue Note.

calzino, Thursday, 10 August 2017 09:39 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

there's a new sons of kemet single and apparently an album on the way

has anyone here heard The Comet is Coming? pretty cool stuff i think ppl itt would like.

Mordy, Sunday, 11 March 2018 15:43 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

it's afro jazz time of year again. i made a playlist last year filled w/ lots of great recommendations from this thread among other stuff that might be of interest to ilmers:

Mordy, Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

got the latest Sons of Kemet album ("You're Queen is a Reptile") and instantly made me think of this thread, lots of African rhythms/percussion

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

yeah it's a good one

the late great, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:15 (nine months ago) Permalink

One of my favourite albums of the year.

Tim F, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:20 (nine months ago) Permalink

it's Your Queen smdh

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

I like this recent reissue, Mulatu Astatke & His Ethiopian Quintet ‎– Afro-Latin Soul Vols 1 & 2---going back to '66, and a few tracks seem redundant or undercooked, but unmistakably he's already in bloom, playing vibes, keys, percussion:

dow, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 01:48 (nine months ago) Permalink

This is a brilliant album...

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 10:22 (nine months ago) Permalink

if you dig Sons of Kemet, then the Shabaka and the Ancestors album from a couple of years ago is key.

fetter, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

One of the members of Shabaka and the Ancestors, keyboardist Nduduzo Makhathini, has several albums out as a leader. His music is spiritual Afro-jazz that kind of combines Coltrane circa '64 with Pharoah Sanders circa '71-'72; lots of modal grooves, some vocal ensembles, etc. They're hard to find as physical objects or even paid downloads, but they're all on Spotify (at least in the US).

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:41 (nine months ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

someone should've recommended dizzy's Afro here cause it's fantastic

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

haven't heard this whole thing, but the samples are nice:

tylerw, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(maybe bc it's more afro-cuban than straight forward afro jazz?)

so many of the new london jazz ppl belong itt too

love the new theon cross album. and the new comet is coming. and the new ezra collective. and the new cykada.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the new Ezra Collective has a cover of Fela's "Shakara" with Kokoroko on it - it's great.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

2016's The Rough Guide To Ethiopian Jazz took a couple of spins, but soon became and remains one of my fave albums of this century. Subject for further study" Mongo Santamaria's Afro-Cuban Jazz, a familiar tag at the time, esp. late 50s-early 60s, when he was employing Chick Corea, and the live "Afro Blue" I heard again the other night on the radio seems a likely gateway for the nascent Allman Brothers Band, despite lack of guitars (also I think one of their early Florida-Alabama club circuit associates told me that). He seems pretty commercial, but a distinctive stylist ( "Afro Blue" was my gateway to Trane, via T.'s version). The back-and-forth of African, Latin, El Norte jazz and adjacent genres can have very varied results, but has always been engaging (oh yeah we haven't mentioned the Jazz Epistles here yet right)

dow, Thursday, 30 May 2019 18:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Another fave: Orchestre Poly-Rythmo De Cotonou, of Dahomey, esp.Echos Hypnotiques, Vol. 2. although I haven't heard them all.
Seems like Denardo Coleman (or somebody else who should know) said somewhere that there is a lot (or some) more Ornette w Master Musicians of Jajouka than what we got on Dancing In Your Head. He's only on one track here, but whole thing looks appealing:

dow, Thursday, 30 May 2019 18:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Lots of good suggestions earlier in the thread. Two albums I love that I don't think have shown up yet are Makaya Ntshoko's "Makaya & the Tsotsis" (very much in the spiritual jazz vein) and, if you can find it, Pat Matshikiza and Kippie Moeketsi's "Tshona" (I think this would appeal to all fans of Abdullah Ibrahim or of South African jazz in general, but it's got a really unique sound to it).

If you like the Makaya Ntshoko album, he's also the drummer on Hugh Masekela's "Home Is Where the Music Is," better known than a lot of the stuff in this thread so far but definitely worth checking out if you haven't already.

berlihe, Thursday, 30 May 2019 18:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Mordy, Thursday, 30 May 2019 21:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

more in fela vein but it's great

Mordy, Thursday, 30 May 2019 21:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(not that fela isn't great obv just that i'm not 100% sure fela should be in this thread's remit but i wanted to share good music)

Mordy, Thursday, 30 May 2019 21:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Since there's been lots of talk about Khan Jamal, worth mentioning the Sounds of Liberation record, too?

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 30 May 2019 23:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i also want to heartily rec one of my favorite records, period, and that is The WELS Concert by Brotzmann/Gania/Drake... think it fits the parameters, but i remain somewhat of a dabbler in the jazz scene, so feel free to correct me.

anyway, this is the record that made me really "get" jazz of a certain type, and i still blast it all the time.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 30 May 2019 23:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He was briefly mentioned by the late great upthread, but Idris Ackamoor & the Pyramids' "An Angel Fell" from last year is highly recommended

rob, Friday, 31 May 2019 14:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

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