Radiohead - In Rainbows

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this video takes a lot of detours to make the simple point that the piano riff in Videotape is syncopated - fun nonetheless:

https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/8/4/16092184/videotape-radiohead-secret-rhythm-earworm

niels, Saturday, 5 August 2017 18:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

That video is simultaneously interesting and, depending on your point of view, what was wrong with much of modern Radiohead/Yorke.

"Mmmm, I like this. It's complex and inert." :P

yesca, Sunday, 6 August 2017 16:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

i just skimmed that video but listening to "videotape" again it seems like bullshit? i'm no musicologist but it feels like for the piano to be syncopated it has to be syncopated against something, but everything else in the song follows the same timing as the piano until the metronome/click thing that comes in at the end. so i'd say maybe the click sound is syncopated but not the piano.

na (NA), Monday, 7 August 2017 20:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

I think they're right based on the live versions of the songs, especially that festival one. And the drumming (like on the Basement version, and even the studio one) makes a lot more sense this way. But yeah it seems like a silly and stubborn arrangement choice, it just makes it really hard to play, for no real payoff.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 August 2017 20:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also yes that video could have been 45 seconds long.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 August 2017 20:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

maybe the band is thinking of it as being syncopated as they play it but just listening to the album version it's hard to hear it that way

na (NA), Monday, 7 August 2017 21:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

i just skimmed that video...
maybe the band is thinking of it as being syncopated as they play it but just listening to the album version it's hard to hear it that way

yeah, near the end of the video they finally make clear that they're talking about the syncopation in the live version in the song, and that the album version's lack of a backbeat takes away the syncopation, even though there are still traces of to be heard (like in the metronome you mentioned, and also just the phrasing of the vocals imo)

Karl Malone, Monday, 7 August 2017 21:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

"In Rainbows Turns 10" cash-in headlines should be arriving in a few short weeks. Does life get any better?

billstevejim, Monday, 7 August 2017 21:25 (ten months ago) Permalink

I'm listening to the "Live from the Basement" version on Youtube and the piano is establishing a straight beat along with the kick drum, with syncopated flourishes popping up here and there in the accompanying percussion.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 7 August 2017 21:43 (ten months ago) Permalink

maybe it's kind of like an easter egg, from a listening perspective I'm not sure what it adds

I'm surprised Thom rates it so highly, I'd take that and bodysnatchers off In Rainbows if I were sequencing it

niels, Monday, 7 August 2017 21:57 (ten months ago) Permalink

I agree. But on this version, there's a pretty clear drum beat that puts the piano/vocals a 1/6th note ahead of each quarter note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isETL6R7x2w

Maybe by the time of the Basement version they decided to stop being so hard on themselves and just play it the way everyone else hears it. Or maybe they didn't want to explain to Clive that "no, actually..."

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 August 2017 22:00 (ten months ago) Permalink

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change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 August 2017 22:00 (ten months ago) Permalink


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