I don't have a problem with any of them getting a Kennedy Center Honor! I do think it's reasonable to make an argument that Sam Shepard dying without one is a shame. It's also reasonable to make the argument that it is a little weird to give one to Gloria Estefan before giving one to Renee Fleming.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
That distinction is a couple of centuries old, with a plethora of literature scrutinizing it. Kennicott clearly has an opinion on it that is different from yours, and somewhat different from mine, but I don't think it's exceptionally extreme or poorly grounded, in terms of being a candidate for "worst piece of music writing ever".
(Also, going by Wikipedia, Fred Astaire and Richard Rodgers received KCHs in the first year they were awarded.)
xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
KCH has always been a mix of high- and low-brow since its inception, which is the best thing about it. It should remain a mix. It's valid to be concerned if either side gains primary focus.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
Or sund4r OTM, if you prefer
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
tbf opera is horrible
tbf lol @ u
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
hey JLCL, I just listened to a 70yo sing the shit out of Glitter and Be Gay; want the youtube link?
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 3 August 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
it's not the _worst_ piece of music writing ever, but i'm impressed that bill wyman has the clout and social skills to presumably get paid for this piece of sub-dave marsh hackwork. at least when marsh came up with a zinger, he was brief.
http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/all-165-pink-floyd-songs-ranked-from-worst-to-best.html
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Friday, 4 August 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
oh I don't know -- there's some sharp writing
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2017 13:36 (six years ago) link
it reminded me of the discussion we had earlier this week about negative criticism and its flaws.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Friday, 4 August 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
Do you like prog rock, the extravagantly conceptual and wildly technical post-psychedelic subgenre that ruled the world for about 30 seconds in the early 1970s before being torn to pieces by the starving street dogs of punk rock? Do you like the proggers, with their terrible pampered proficiency, their priestly robes, and their air—once they get behind their instruments—of an inverted, almost abscessed Englishness? I don’t.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-whitest-music-ever/534174
― Odysseus, Friday, 4 August 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
got a new d/n out of it at least
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Friday, 4 August 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
he talks about their priestly robes like that's a drawback to OTT rock music
― nomar, Friday, 4 August 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
'abcessed'?
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Friday, 4 August 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
I take that to mean, "so full of Englishness that if you prick them with a needle, out would come Devonshire clotted cream."
― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 August 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
inverted tho
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
If Weigel were David Foster Wallace, he would have written his entire book from inside that cruise ship, possibly never leaving his cabin, eavesdropping on snatches of music and chitchat and sending out his imagination in heavy spirals of paranoia and insight. But Weigel is a political reporter for The Washington Post, so he climbs off that wiggy, proggy boat and treads onto the dry land of chronology.
jesus christ
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
― okapi paste (Ye Mad Puffin),
sounds tasty tbh
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
Now you come to mention it, Jon Anderson was a milkman for a while.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
This article seems to be creating a stramash on fb, tom
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Friday, 4 August 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link
I think "pampered proficiency" deserves more attention. I haven't brought myself to read the whole article yet, though.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:19 (six years ago) link
Before reading or looking up anything about the author, I'm going to guess that the writer i) is white and ii) grew up wealthier than Geddy Lee.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:29 (six years ago) link
And has never worked as a milkman.
― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link
I just read it out of masochism and don't really know where to start.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
if weigel were david foster wallace, he would have killed himself by now. maybe james parker should try to be more like david foster wallace.
― The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Saturday, 5 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
ok that's enough
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 August 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
the same guy did this articlehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-sex-pistol/497528/
― starving street dogs of punk rock (Odysseus), Saturday, 5 August 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
Haha so the prog thing's not even the worst thing he's written
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 August 2017 13:59 (six years ago) link
Parker's Rollins biog from the 90s was good. Not read/won't read these two pieces.
― Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Wednesday, 9 August 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
guys is everett true okay
Look at the way he looks. Not so much a rock star as an exercise in hair conditioner. Dave Grohl is shit. How many times do I need to say this before you start listening? Hey, why not start listening? Just cos you’ve only heard a handful of songs in your life does not mean that no alternatives exist. Dave Grohl is shit. Do not be scared of the crowd. Has it not occurred to you that the crowd can be wrong sometimes? Dave Grohl is shit. The idea of listening to his music drives me to extremes of nothing. Dave Grohl is shit. Shout it from the tops of buses and shout it from street corners. He is dreary, whiny, derivative, needless, grey. Dave Grohl is shit. He makes Chris Martin sound like Beyoncé. Flaunt the bump/don’t flaunt the bump/FLAUNT THE BUMP! He makes Ed Sheeran shine with an inner fire. He puts Theresa May into perspective.
― pizzarro gizzarda (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
Everett True has not been ok for a long time but he's not wrong about Dave Grohl, he's just right for the usual tediously wrong aging POONK reasons
― a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
it's just... deeply not good, even by the rock-bottom expectation that has long come from seeing his byline on anything
― pizzarro gizzarda (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
say what you like about the tenets of Trueism, dude, at least it's an ethos
sort of
― a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
a bathos mebbes
― pizzarro gizzarda (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link
no but he's a terrible man, the kind of terrible man who's trying really hard to be the worst kind of 17 year-old, which is a terrible, terrible look
― a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
"the kids, i am down with them" insists 'bad boy' of music writing everett true (73)
http://dis.images.s3.amazonaws.com/104433.jpeg
― pizzarro gizzarda (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 August 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link
this isn't the worst thing ever, and they do a REALLY good job of making the whole experience sound tedious and boring. like an anti-hunter thompson or something. like rock & roll = a trip to the department of motor vehicles. which, to me, is appropriate given the band. also, there are, like, two sentences devoted to the music played. which also seems appropriate somehow.
http://www.playboy.com/articles/phish-feature
― scott seward, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/wjjknm/taylor-swift-needs-to-sit-this-year-out?utm_source=vicefbdk^^this reads like parody but I'm afraid it's sincere
― niels, Saturday, 2 September 2017 10:29 (six years ago) link
yeah that would be an amazing clickhole article
― k3vin k., Saturday, 2 September 2017 11:42 (six years ago) link
Came here to post that insipid Taylor Swift piece.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 08:24 (six years ago) link
this reflexive criticism of any political piece just for being political is an incredibly bad look
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 12:08 (six years ago) link
ozzi is a terrible writer
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 12:34 (six years ago) link
Post a political piece by an intelligent writer with a cogent point and we'll see how it goes.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 12:47 (six years ago) link
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:08 AM (one hour ago)
there's no way you read the article
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
This is one of the worst examples of the "I think everyone is talking about this too much so here are another 2000 words on why I don't care about it" school of pop culture hot takes so far. Beyond any of the unfair assumptions made, I really have no idea why the writer can't just not listen to Taylor Swift.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
because other artists don't draw in as many eyeballs
feel like taylor is going to be subject to a particularly nasty version of the 'i don't want to cover this but GOD, i have to in order to earn out my paltry fee, so let me demonstrate how above all of it i am' nihilism that makes so much online reading worthless
― maura, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
idk if i'd characterize it as "omg i don't want to write about taylor swift but she's sooooo bad that i have to" as much as it seems a lazy assemblage/simulation of already existing thinkpieces and twitter threads without containing any of its own ideas which leads to rich communicative passages such as
Even when unintentional, Swift can't get out of the way of her own pettiness. As many quickly pointed out, Reputation's launch date is set for the death anniversary of Kanye West's late mother. (A label rep claimed this was a coincidence.) And even when Swift (or presumably someone on her publicity team) first tweeted the link to the video for "Look What You Made Me Do" during the MTV VMAs, it was done while the mother of Heather Heyer, a woman killed by a vehicular attack while protesting white supremacists in Charlottesville, was speaking on stage. While likely unintentional, the unfortunate timing is emblematic of how utterly detached from the world Swift is.
could be unintentional, who knows
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:59 (six years ago) link
Even when unintentional, Swift can't get out of the way of her own pettiness. As many quickly pointed out, Reputation's launch date is set for the death anniversary of Kanye West's late mother. (
This is execrable, lazy thinking.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
"As many quickly pointed out, Donald Trump is the president."
so petty that people put any other petty thing they can think of on her
― j., Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
That graf's amazing combo of concern trolling, performative wokeness and aggregating Tweets is really a perfect example of Noisey's garbage editorial vision and Vice's vampric greed. So glad the CEO could brag about double-stuffing interns for the greater good of calling out Taylor Swift for coincidences.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link