Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

They left an avenue to back-door Miles into the story; Donald Glover's character is his uncle in the comic books and he made a passing reference to Miles during the confrontation in the parking garage.

yeah, i picked that up - just faintly annoyed that one of miles' strongest supporting characters essentially got transplanted into peter's story when peter already has a really strong supporting cast to pick and choose from

Is the thread spoiler friendly yet

Because genuinely now, that was a cracking moment

If it isn't, I expect a bunch of people to yell at me.

it's been out for the better part of a month, i think anyone straying into this thread who hasn't seen it yet only has themselves to blame if they get spider-spoilered

Let's roll so

That was brilliantly done. To contrast with baby driver, it was serious restraint from director not to even wink at that throughout

To keep the stunned/oh shit tone up to such effect throughout the car journey etc was just cherry on top stuff

yeah, it was a really clever and effective twist cuz it relies on revealing something that isn't part of the comics, so even spidey die-hards like me are wrongfooted

it's also a million times more suspenseful than a physical confrontation could ever be

The Holland/Keaton confrontations were, IMO, some of the best hero/villain interactions I've seen to date in these movies, if not the best. It helps that Vulture as a villain has motives on a scale that you can actually recognize and, to a degree, empathize with; seeing someone turn to crime because the heroes screwed them out of an honest living and seeing their dedication to it as the means for which they provide for their family is a chain of logic that it's a lot easier to see bits of yourself in than "I want to take over the world/galaxy".

The other thing I really liked was that they remembered that all of these kids were at a high school for nerds, so all of them were going to display some predisposition towards nerddom, including archetypal popular girl Liz and popular bully Flash.

the nerd school is another thing they swiped from miles!

but yeah, the friendly neighbourhood supervillain stuff was great, and it made me realise how the mcu had previously cut itself off from that kind of stuff by having their superheroes' identities largely be known to the public, or their villains so cosmic that there's no opportunity for them to be caught off-duty.

i actually wish there was a little bit more of keaton as a regular blue-collar thief with access to alien weapons before he kills a henchman and really leans into his heel turn, because he does actually have a pretty good point about being denied even the table scraps from a new world full of gods and monsters. i was really pleased that he didn't end up dead, though - i'd love to see him again

His nonplussed "... I thought this was the antigrav gun" was outstanding.

I was really, really surprised at how surprising the surprise was, because on paper it's sort of ... hacky? But so audaciously so I totally didn't see it coming. And didn't have even the slightest problem with it. Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

xpost That is essential as well. Was talking with a friend about that scene and that reaction. Keaton makes a point of not being a killer, of being more honorable, mostly out for money, not power. But that scene shows how far he's gone. Similarly at the end there is that ambiguity. Does he not give up Peter because he is honorable, or because he wants to kill him himself?

i dunno if the role was written for keaton specifically but it might has well have been since it plays into his strengths so much: charming, charismatic, but with a volatile streak that can be pretty frightening when it boils up unexpectedly. seeing that anger flash a couple of times beforehand made the coolness of the car scene that much more worrying

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

yeah! his blindness to the similarities between himself and tony stark is a neat little character wrinkle

Also worth a moment to ponder if he's not a comment on "look, we'd all be batman if we were billionaires, I don't have that luxury"

XP and batman, birdman, definitely elements of joker jack in there too imo

the part of batman i was reminded of most was bruce wayne's 'you wanna get nuts? let's get nuts' line to the joker, which is so seemingly out of character for keaton's kinda nerdy, quiet wayne that it actually scared me a little when i first saw it as a kid

If I had any criticism of Keaton NB I don't and never will it's that he brings that almost zany nuts underside to just about every role I've seen him in NB again that is fine by me the world needs this

Shit I mean I bring that element to my team one on ones tbf

beetlejuice is never too far from the surface, tru

idgaf tho, i like beetlejuice

i also love the way his face has aged, it's just a real pleasure to watch him move that wrinkly mug

He has the radial, far-reaching wrinkles centred on the eye that befits a fella that has spent his professional life squinting crazily at people

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

I took it that at the beginning, in his discussion with Damage Control, it was true that he was a blue collar guy (see comparisons with Archie's dad in the recent Riverdale series struggling to hold a construction crew together for a big job because he can't just bankroll them) and he mentions more than once how he's "over-extended" to fund the job - I guess that means he's a homeowner and has remortgaged to fund it? But since becoming a criminal he's gone for the big house etc and has stayed in crime because he likes the wealth.

speaking of ageing, i appreciated that they didn't cast marisa tomei as aunt may and then try to play down the fact that marisa tomei has apparently not aged a day in twenty years or more

She wore old lady glasses at one stage

I mean she looked like Marisa tomei in old lady glasses but I appreciated the effort

The whole "everyone loves Aunt May" subplot was also great.

i hope she gets a love interest in the shape of a hot willie lumpkin in the next movie

i just horrified myself with the phrase 'hot willie lumpkin' there, sorry to anyone similarly affected

I will lol if she starts dating Otto

Who then becomes doc otto

the story's there just waiting to be taken to the screen

https://puzzledpagan.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/doc-ock-wedding-cover.png?w=640

This is why I don't write. It's all been done before

Way late to the party. This was a delight from beginning to end. Confidentially, Peter Parker Spider-Man is not among my favorite major Marvel characters, but this managed to distill pretty much everything great about the character. Y'all have said it all already, but Keaton was fantastic in this and that car scene is one of the best the MCU has produced. The kids were the best. I wish I'd gone to that school.

Also, how is it that 'Penis Parker' has never happened in the comics (or that I somehow missed it if it did)?

It was originally "Puny Parker" in the '60s, and it was updated for the film

this was a blast. Especially the cap post-credits scene.

lol yes

rewatching this and the little twist toward the end is still a "uhhhhh oh noooo" moment

that was to say, the whole family life reveal. it was more at the 2/3rds point and Keaton's facial expressions were killing me

Sounds like Gyllenhaal is right on the cusp of being cast as Mysterio.

keaton returning as vulture too, apparently

he’s always returning with wings

I missed the announcement that the sequel is officially Spider-Man: Far From Home. Speculate away.

Spacer-Man

I'll put a dollar on this being evidence that the next avengers movie sets up the multiverse, and that lil spider-mans gets shunted to the new one

don't know if the standalone Spider-Man movies are going to that entangled in the overall Marvel universe. It's still basically a Fox property

or Sony even

well, the animated miles morales movie is called into the spider-verse and features both peter parker and spider-gwen from alternate universes alongside miles, so...

yeah but it has nothing to do with the MCU

it's a tangled web tho!

lol wtf

Jared Leto and director Daniel Espinosa are being set by Sony for Morbius, a Spider-Man Universe spinoff based on the Marvel Comics antihero Morbius the Living Vampire. Burk Sharpless and Matt Sazama, creators of Netflix’s Lost in Space, wrote the script.

https://deadline.com/2018/06/jared-leto-daniel-espinosa-team-morbius-spider-man-spinoff-sony-pictures-1202418275