NPR's 150 Albums Made by Women

X were in there Οὖτις, but yeah Royal Trux is a good shout. More soul and funk might have been good, the mention of Betty Davis upthread OTM. Fever Ray were on the Fader list but The Knife would be a good addition.

so yeah loads more possibilities but lots and lots of great stuff to check out on the NPR list!

ah sorry about X, missed that

xp

Cibo Matto a definite oversight. Sheesh, it's almost as if there are more than 150 great albums made by women!

So... how much of what we're seeing is a schism between "female artists male critics like" and "female artists female critics like" (since it was an all-female jury that compiled the list)?

Glasser doesn't have enough of a profile/impact to appear on lists like this but I wish she did because both albums I've heard by her are astonishing.

might also be an NPR vs not NPR schism xp

Seriously. It's a little shocking that only one Norah Jones album made the cut.

(NB, I enjoy the musical stylings of Norah Jones.)

i don't believe it's a schism so much as a nudge

Pirates was 49, yes. This is RLJ's response

Pirates NPR DJS vote'49th greatest female LP of all. 50 greater lps by women? i dont think so!! maybe 25.or30. but not 50. Mbarrassed.

— Rickie Lee Jones (@RickieLeeJones) July 25, 2017

NPR say "RickieLeeJones"NOT 1ofthe IMPORTANT female records!(chuck E, lastchanceTexaco)btFanny,YokoOno&Raincoats,Runaways&GraceJones ARE!

— Rickie Lee Jones (@RickieLeeJones) July 25, 2017

ha I almost listed Glasser, Dan. I like that first album a lot but it seems p obscure idk

Mbarrassed @ @RickieLeeJones

<3 that first RLJ tweet (no need to bash Fanny, Yoko, the Raincoats, the Runaways or Grace Jones, though)

is rickie lee not performing all of pirates at the launch party for this list

Heavenly - Le Jardin de Heavenly,

Seconded. Maybe there would've been an indie pop album in the next 50.

maybe put Lana Del Rey into that recent critical faves category too? Lily Allen?

― Οὖτις

When talking about recent critical favourites, St Vincent has to be the most surprising omission for me.

ooh yes good catch

I'm happy to see Cocteau Twins on the list (even though it's about 140 places too low) but I would have also liked to see Saint Etienne, Lush, The Sundays, Sterolab and Broadcast on there too.

Going back to Dionne Warwick, I can't say I've heard many of her albums but Just Being Myself from 73 is definitely worth a place. It's one of many great 70s soul albums I'm disappointed missed out. Caught Up by Millie Jackson, either of the first two Syreeta albums, Betty Wright's Hard To Stop, any of those brilliant Rufus/Chaka Khan albums, Woman To Woman by Shirley Brown, Ann Peebles, Margie Joseph and the biggest omission of all, no Minnie Riperton. They could have picked any of her first three albums, they're all incredible.

unsurprisingly I wish kristin hersh and stina nordenstam were on the list but am not surprised they're not. the surprise for me is Karin Dreijer/The Knife

also I would have chosen The Idler Wheel or When the Pawn over Tidal and From the Choirgirl Hotel or Boys for Pele over either of the ones on the list

I'm surprised The Knife didn't show up, as well.

I like Fader's list a lot more but disappointed Rachel Stevens didn't make it to either list :(

And why not?

http://themuse.jezebel.com/the-150-worst-albums-made-by-men-1797242454

Now we're getting somewhere! Though putting Slint on there at all, and placing Metal Machine Music at 27, is disappointingly challopsy.

I was all in on that list until this entry

7. Bob Dylan, Christmas in the Heart

which is one of the greatest Christmas albums ever made

haha kid A just to piss off the world love it

Yeah true Slint is the worst shit ever uh

Last Splash >>>>> every Pixies album

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:07 PM

otm

Nah.

jezebel list is great except for kid a, bob dylan xmas (agree w/ Οὖτις) and cringe-inducingly obvious challops of putting fuckin' sgt pepper in there like it's still last month and we're still having to read those bs contrarian thinkpieces

A missed opportunity to trash LCD Soundsystem and Fleet Foxes.

I'm surprised to see Slint on there, I didn't think Spiderland was quite popular enough to get the "icky boys like it so it's funny to say it's bad" treatment.

Good lord, this whole ordeal.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/d4/d4824a1a0f58f3a938bc389fbfb3cc5c084f9a354c1ed8f887f9e3b29d98bcff.jpg

I was surprised no Throwing Muses, neither list and only one mention here. I didn't think they had disappeared from the critical eye so much.

I like how on that Jezebel list they give no explanation for anything, and how they include a link for exactly one album, Orgy Punk Statik Paranoia, as if they assume their readership is familiar with all the other craptacular choices.

jezebel list is corny imo. too many fish-barrel choices & reinforcing conventional wisdom + random critical darlings whoever made it doesnt like personally

it cant help but feel like its still mainly pandering to ppl's generic ideas of 'good' & 'bad' taste esp around notions of class

love that RLJ tweet. The order of the poll is contentious, I mean in no world should Kate Bush be that low

now if jezebel made a list of 150 worst albums by women...

I thought it was convenient that the entire Jezebel list was all on one page rather than divided into 15 annoying parts, but then the page finished loading and there ended up being an ad every 3 entries, amounting to 50 ads you have to scroll through as you read a list of the 150 lowest rated rateyourmusic albums. very 'fuck the system', that

just realised, no Abba!

There's some good juxtapositions on that list, like this:

133. Chief Keef, Finally Rich

132. Drake, Views

131. Phish, Lawn Boy

Guns'n'Roses surprisingly low.

Clemenza otm on the arbitrariness of the Mamas and the Papas and Jefferson Airplane falling out of favor.

it's cuz they suck

A 1939-1963 list:
https://medium.com/@jonathanbogart/the-150-greatest-albums-by-women-before-1964-54393ae871ec

Throwing Muses/Hersch (and maybe Mary Margaret O'Hara, though she's more obscure to begin with) feels like the biggest omission from a list which is explicitly setting out to grapple with gender questions.

I think the artist choices are good ones. I assume there were pretty explicit riding instructions to focus on ~impact~, hence selections like Like A Virgin which pretty much no one thinks is better than the albums before and after it, Britney's debut, even Erykah Badu's debut.

I have lost track of what this thread has covered, as is often the case when I browse this web-site, but I wanted to say 150 of the worst albums by men seems like a drop in the ocean. I think it is safe to say every other album released by a man is bad, not necessarily based on their sexual orientation and/or gender, but because DAW software is so easily attained and has made music creation very simple. We need not go further than Jake Paul, who I'm sure would top this list if he had the attention span to write a full album's worth of songs.

I admit to being a bit surprised by the inclusion of Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot as one of the "worst" albums by men in the totality of albums made by men, though. The higher placed albums seem to be honest attempts at selecting the worst ones at least.

32. Enrique Iglesias, Sex and Love

31. Placebo, Placebo

30. Nickelback, Silver Side Up

that's some shade @ Placebo lol