yeah i was surprised by the lack of cat power...has her critical clout fallen that far?
yup! no tUNEyARDS either
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
Kim Kelly is tweeting a list of 150 metal albums by women.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:06 (six years ago) link
Clearly no one cares about Dionne Warwick (is it that there's a stated or implied rule about compilations?)
Yeah, kind of assume a lot of women active in the '60s or earlier are unfairly shut out of the list because coherent albums weren't as much a thing.
If compilations were fair game, this list should've had One Kiss Can Lead to Another number one with a bullet.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
I’m thinking this might be a bad time to shop around the “Why Rock and Roll Needs to Be Left to the Men” piece I’ve been working on the past few months.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
A list of 150 pre-1964 albums would be desirable. Not a list-maker myself, but I've already started to do this in my head
― Josefa, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:13 (six years ago) link
Think you could make a strong case for Make Way for Dionne Warwick, her third studio album ('64). It's got "Walk on By" and lots else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Way_for_Dionne_Warwick
― clemenza, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Oh damn, Betty Davis is missing.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
Lists are pretty dumb, especially when you're casting the net so wide.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
I still like the idea of this list, but I do think it would have been a bit more meaningful if they declined to rank the albums. Yes, that would put Baby One More Time on the same level as Blue and all that, but I think that forgoing the competitive method of ranking would have been more in keeping with the spirit of what they are trying to accomplish here.
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
ricki lee jones was complaining on twitter, i'd make a case for her first album
i dunno, seems like a lot of weird picks...
obv love the band but Sonic Youth seems a little odd to me for the purposes of this list
some recent stuff being way overrated but that's the case with every list ever
loved that this made it, what an amazing record:
78. The Bulgarian State Radio & Television ChoirLe Mystère Des Voix Bulgares (Nonesuch, 1987)
agree w/whoever said Mary Margaret O'Hara Miss America should have made the list
Melt Banana was robbed!!
MC Lyte's Act Like You Know should have been on the list
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
are we at the point where we're just listing people we would have personally included?
Stereolab, Broadcast, Betty Carter, Blossom Dearie, Hellen Merrill, Betty Davis, Gal Costa, MC Lyte, Wanda Jackson, Lee Ann Womack, Kacey Musgraves, Asha Bhosle, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Delta 5, Concrete Blonde, THE CRAMPS (maybe the most unforgivable imo), Damon & Naomi, Deerhoof, Digable Planets, Fiery Furnaces/Eleanor Friedberger, New Pornographers/Neko Case, the Geraldine Fibbers, Lynn Collins, Unrest, Mazzy Star, Opal/Kendra Smith, Nancy Sinatra, Royal Trux, Suzi Quatro, the Vaselines, X
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
xpost I mean...you and I may feel that Melt Banana was robbed, but this is NPR we're talking about here.
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
if Sonic Youth is eligible idk why stuff like the Velvets or White Stripes wouldn't also merit inclusion
xp
Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares should have been a lot higher, IMO
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
now that i think about it, i believe this list is designed to inspire further lists -- good strategy!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
heh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:21 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
My first reaction was "no Scissor Girls?!" But yeah considering the source...
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
i was kinda kidding about melt banana (tho i do think they are better than stuff that made the list)
Ricki Lee Jones & Mary Margaret O'Hara (and Jefferson Airplane if they they include X and Sonic Youth) I'm more surprised that they didn't make it
MC Lyte I think that's a bit of an injustice (imo)
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
actually looking at Outic's list I AM kinda surprised Mazzy Star didn't make it
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
there's a lot of more recent critical faves that have faded from view (aforementioned tUNEyARDs, YYYs, etc.) that aren't included. They seem to fall into that middle ground of not-old-enough-to-be-a-shoe-in and too recent to have any sense of potential lasting impact/relevance. (In that respect the more poptimist - sorry Alfred - nominees got it easier, since they are validated by chart presence and continuing prominence as pop avatars)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
maybe put Lana Del Rey into that recent critical faves category too? Lily Allen?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
Lorde?
I thought Rickie Lee Jones did make it in? Pirates.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
Five to fifteen years after a critical fanfare seems to be a dead zone where it remains to be seen if the next generation of music obsessives latch on to a record. Especially in recent decades when a those types of artists often have years between releases.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
Pixies a big omission, imo. Shocked Lorde didn't make it in.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
Pixies a big omission, imo
Last Splash >>>>> every Pixies album
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
I don't know about that, but definitely more women in the band.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
X were in there Οὖτις, but yeah Royal Trux is a good shout. More soul and funk might have been good, the mention of Betty Davis upthread OTM. Fever Ray were on the Fader list but The Knife would be a good addition.
― André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
so yeah loads more possibilities but lots and lots of great stuff to check out on the NPR list!
― André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
ah sorry about X, missed that
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
Cibo Matto a definite oversight. Sheesh, it's almost as if there are more than 150 great albums made by women!
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
So... how much of what we're seeing is a schism between "female artists male critics like" and "female artists female critics like" (since it was an all-female jury that compiled the list)?
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Glasser doesn't have enough of a profile/impact to appear on lists like this but I wish she did because both albums I've heard by her are astonishing.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
might also be an NPR vs not NPR schism xp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
Seriously. It's a little shocking that only one Norah Jones album made the cut.
(NB, I enjoy the musical stylings of Norah Jones.)
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
i don't believe it's a schism so much as a nudge
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
Pirates was 49, yes. This is RLJ's response
Pirates NPR DJS vote'49th greatest female LP of all. 50 greater lps by women? i dont think so!! maybe 25.or30. but not 50. Mbarrassed.— Rickie Lee Jones (@RickieLeeJones) July 25, 2017
NPR say "RickieLeeJones"NOT 1ofthe IMPORTANT female records!(chuck E, lastchanceTexaco)btFanny,YokoOno&Raincoats,Runaways&GraceJones ARE!— Rickie Lee Jones (@RickieLeeJones) July 25, 2017
― Number None, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
ha I almost listed Glasser, Dan. I like that first album a lot but it seems p obscure idk
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
Mbarrassed @ @RickieLeeJones
― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
<3 that first RLJ tweet (no need to bash Fanny, Yoko, the Raincoats, the Runaways or Grace Jones, though)
― soref, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
is rickie lee not performing all of pirates at the launch party for this list
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
Heavenly - Le Jardin de Heavenly,
Seconded. Maybe there would've been an indie pop album in the next 50.
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις
When talking about recent critical favourites, St Vincent has to be the most surprising omission for me.
― kitchen person, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
ooh yes good catch
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
I'm happy to see Cocteau Twins on the list (even though it's about 140 places too low) but I would have also liked to see Saint Etienne, Lush, The Sundays, Sterolab and Broadcast on there too.
Going back to Dionne Warwick, I can't say I've heard many of her albums but Just Being Myself from 73 is definitely worth a place. It's one of many great 70s soul albums I'm disappointed missed out. Caught Up by Millie Jackson, either of the first two Syreeta albums, Betty Wright's Hard To Stop, any of those brilliant Rufus/Chaka Khan albums, Woman To Woman by Shirley Brown, Ann Peebles, Margie Joseph and the biggest omission of all, no Minnie Riperton. They could have picked any of her first three albums, they're all incredible.
― kitchen person, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
unsurprisingly I wish kristin hersh and stina nordenstam were on the list but am not surprised they're not. the surprise for me is Karin Dreijer/The Knife
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
also I would have chosen The Idler Wheel or When the Pawn over Tidal and From the Choirgirl Hotel or Boys for Pele over either of the ones on the list
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
I'm surprised The Knife didn't show up, as well.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
I like Fader's list a lot more but disappointed Rachel Stevens didn't make it to either list :(
― daavid, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
And why not?
http://themuse.jezebel.com/the-150-worst-albums-made-by-men-1797242454
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link