NPR's 150 Albums Made by Women

Still no Gal Costa. We need 150 more.

― Frederik B, Monday, July 24, 2017 7:06 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's really hard for me to look at this as anything other than "a list of records" given the selection criteria and this is still an awful omission

stuff like mirah, hanne hukkelberg, slapp happy and perhacs are omissions but more of a personal nature and the list is as others have mentioned, hit heavy

That's a lot of bad music on that list there, tell you what.

Some good stuff, too, though.

Btw, Peggy Lee made some pretty outstanding albums from 1964 on, including the one they dipped into for the Mad Men finale, Is That All There Is?. I realize she was no Britney Spears or Robyn, but still.

Re Jefferson Airplane: I understand C. Grissom's point, and his explanation for their absence is probably dead on, but for me Slick's centrality to the band can't be quantified by songwriting credits or number of vocal turns. Her two songs on Surrealistic Pillow dwarf the rest of the album in terms of public awareness--they shouldn't, there are other great songs, but they do--and my own sense as a teenager in the mid-'70s, when I bought Worst Of, was that she was the face of the band. I knew her name long before I knew Marty Balin's or Paul Kantner's.

The Sings Johnny Mercer Song Book is an excellent Ella pick, but for a second there I indulged in - wha-wha-what, this lower than Adele - type listicle outrage!

5. Missy Elliott
Supa Dupa Fly (The Goldmind/Elektra, 1997)
This album dismantled the hip-hop boy's club. For the first time in history a woman rapped, sang, wrote and produced every song on a major rap release.

I dunno if it makes sense to suggest the hip hop boys club was dismantled in 1997, but that's just contemporary journalism, and I wouldn't want to argue against praise in favor of this album. However, I'm surprised by the suggestion that Missy produced this album since it's usually assumed to be (and certainly sounds like) an all Timbaland production. Anyone know more about Missy's role as producer on this?

looking forward to commenters looking forward to the 150 albums made by men

...list

surprised to not see any Sarah McLachlan on this

Sandy Denny? Shirley Collins? June Tabor? Maddy Prior?

Finding space for Adele while snubbing Mahalia Jackson absolutely sucks as well! But lists eh? They are all nonsense.

Needed to be 1,500 albums.

looking forward to commenters looking forward to the 150 albums made by men

― plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:12 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was bloody waiting for someone to say this

Sure but were you looking forward to it?

Yeah, was waiting as well. Really didn't want to be the one to say it.

i personally would've loved to have seen mary margaret o'hara on that list but there are a good number of records that i've never actually listened to before so it's nice to be reminded to check them out without the usual manbands clogging the place up

I honestly think the NPR list is pretty exciting. The top 10 manages to consist of albums that both seem like no-brainers, but also for a lot of them isn't included on a lot of lists. It's a great counter-canon, even - perhaps especially - as it doesn't really seem to want to be that.

as it doesn't really seem to want to be that.

The intro is titled "A New Canon: In Pop Music, Women Belong At The Center Of The Story." "In building a new canon..." turns up below.

Which is fine. But I don't think you can say there's not a conscious effort to do exactly that.

Ok, fair point.

(I agree with you if you focus on the "counter-" part. They seem to be fine with including a lot of old standbys.)

While y'all wait for the 'what about the top 150 albums made by men?' comments, I'll await the 'how about giving some credit to all of the men involved in the top 150 albums made by women?' comments.

The majority of my favorite music is woman-centric. More lists like this, please.

This is what happens when I'm up early waiting for the A/C guy to come and do an inspection. I end up posting about the minutiae of canons and counter-canons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spYW0gutg38

They did a pretty decent job of hitting most of the majors. Beyond personal favorites who I wouldn't really have expected to see, I can only think of a handful of glaring omissions off the top of my head: Karen Dalton, Cat Power, Minnie Riperton, Janis Ian, Young Marble Giants. Maybe like Juliana Hatfield and/or Mary Timony.

http://www.thefader.com/2017/07/24/150-more-great-albums-made-by-women-npr-list/amp?utm_source=f&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=share

Clearly no one cares about Dionne Warwick (is it that there's a stated or implied rule about compilations?), no one cares about Sandy Denny/Fairport Convention, and no one thinks the Jefferson Airplane qualify. Some good stuff, though.

glad the Fader list catches Stereolab. In addition to the Brit folk oversights mentioned so far (Shirley Collins most egregious for me), Linda Thompson is being overlooked, and Anne Briggs as well.

yeah i was surprised by the lack of cat power...has her critical clout fallen that far?

so did neko case call in and say keep me the fuck away from your list orrrrrrrrrrr...

5. Missy Elliott
Supa Dupa Fly (The Goldmind/Elektra, 1997)
This album dismantled the hip-hop boy's club. For the first time in history a woman rapped, sang, wrote and produced every song on a major rap release.

Agreed that this um description is annoying at best - Timbaland has the producer credit on it, and it's kind of annoying how women get erased from hip hop history when they were prominent from the very beginning, from Sweet Tee to JJ Fad to MC Lyte etc etc

yeah i was surprised by the lack of cat power...has her critical clout fallen that far?

yup! no tUNEyARDS either

Kim Kelly is tweeting a list of 150 metal albums by women.

Clearly no one cares about Dionne Warwick (is it that there's a stated or implied rule about compilations?)

Yeah, kind of assume a lot of women active in the '60s or earlier are unfairly shut out of the list because coherent albums weren't as much a thing.

If compilations were fair game, this list should've had One Kiss Can Lead to Another number one with a bullet.

I’m thinking this might be a bad time to shop around the “Why Rock and Roll Needs to Be Left to the Men” piece I’ve been working on the past few months.

A list of 150 pre-1964 albums would be desirable. Not a list-maker myself, but I've already started to do this in my head

Think you could make a strong case for Make Way for Dionne Warwick, her third studio album ('64). It's got "Walk on By" and lots else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Way_for_Dionne_Warwick

Oh damn, Betty Davis is missing.

Lists are pretty dumb, especially when you're casting the net so wide.

I still like the idea of this list, but I do think it would have been a bit more meaningful if they declined to rank the albums. Yes, that would put Baby One More Time on the same level as Blue and all that, but I think that forgoing the competitive method of ranking would have been more in keeping with the spirit of what they are trying to accomplish here.

ricki lee jones was complaining on twitter, i'd make a case for her first album

i dunno, seems like a lot of weird picks...

obv love the band but Sonic Youth seems a little odd to me for the purposes of this list

some recent stuff being way overrated but that's the case with every list ever

loved that this made it, what an amazing record:

78. The Bulgarian State Radio & Television Choir
Le Mystère Des Voix Bulgares (Nonesuch, 1987)

agree w/whoever said Mary Margaret O'Hara Miss America should have made the list

Melt Banana was robbed!!

MC Lyte's Act Like You Know should have been on the list

are we at the point where we're just listing people we would have personally included?

Stereolab, Broadcast, Betty Carter, Blossom Dearie, Hellen Merrill, Betty Davis, Gal Costa, MC Lyte, Wanda Jackson, Lee Ann Womack, Kacey Musgraves, Asha Bhosle, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Delta 5, Concrete Blonde, THE CRAMPS (maybe the most unforgivable imo), Damon & Naomi, Deerhoof, Digable Planets, Fiery Furnaces/Eleanor Friedberger, New Pornographers/Neko Case, the Geraldine Fibbers, Lynn Collins, Unrest, Mazzy Star, Opal/Kendra Smith, Nancy Sinatra, Royal Trux, Suzi Quatro, the Vaselines, X

xpost I mean...you and I may feel that Melt Banana was robbed, but this is NPR we're talking about here.

if Sonic Youth is eligible idk why stuff like the Velvets or White Stripes wouldn't also merit inclusion

xp

Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares should have been a lot higher, IMO

now that i think about it, i believe this list is designed to inspire further lists -- good strategy!

heh

xpost I mean...you and I may feel that Melt Banana was robbed, but this is NPR we're talking about here.

― Chock Full of Love and Sexy Feeling (Old Lunch), Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:21 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My first reaction was "no Scissor Girls?!" But yeah considering the source...

i was kinda kidding about melt banana (tho i do think they are better than stuff that made the list)

Ricki Lee Jones & Mary Margaret O'Hara (and Jefferson Airplane if they they include X and Sonic Youth) I'm more surprised that they didn't make it

MC Lyte I think that's a bit of an injustice (imo)

actually looking at Outic's list I AM kinda surprised Mazzy Star didn't make it

there's a lot of more recent critical faves that have faded from view (aforementioned tUNEyARDs, YYYs, etc.) that aren't included. They seem to fall into that middle ground of not-old-enough-to-be-a-shoe-in and too recent to have any sense of potential lasting impact/relevance. (In that respect the more poptimist - sorry Alfred - nominees got it easier, since they are validated by chart presence and continuing prominence as pop avatars)

maybe put Lana Del Rey into that recent critical faves category too? Lily Allen?