i am a cam er rah
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 20 July 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
oh this b-side dance remix from Drama is FUCKING SICKKKKK btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxg9j2Zpt4w
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 20 July 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
\m/
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 21 July 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
sail the future wars we suffer
do not suffer through the "game of chance" that plays always doors to lock away your dreamsthink it over -- time will heal your fearsthink it over -- balance the thoughts that release within you
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 19 May 2018 12:30 (five years ago) link
The ending to 'To Be Over' ends this album so perfectly - that bit that begins "After all, your soul will still surrender" and into the reprise of the intro. Superb.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Listening to and enjoying the SW mix of Relayer, I don't miss the battle fx on TGOD at all and I like that the thin and somewhat spiky texture of the original record is absent.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 17 November 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
It's tempting to think of what they would have done if they'd taken the approach they used on this album further. Or would that have even been possible for them?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 17 November 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
yes the wilson remix of relayer makes it listenable for me. I liked the songs but it was terribly produced.
― akm, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
XP - To my ear they absolutely did take elements of Relayer onto Going For The One, To Be Over and parts of TGOD have echoes in Awaken and Turn Of The Century with the band moving those big blocked out chord sections around like tectonic plates.
But if you're talking about the fusion-y edge as a consequence of PM's input, I don't buy the notion that it's as big a part of Relayer as is accepted, I don't really hear that much Mahavishnu or whoever beyond the intro to Soundchaser and a lot of the time Moraz's choice of textures and sounds are strikingly similar to Wakeman's.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 17 November 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was talking more about the more aggressive approach of 'Sound Chaser' and most of 'The Gates of Delirium', rather than the softer side of the LP. Wasn't most of this album written before Patrick Moraz had even joined the band?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 17 November 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
i hate the rhino remaster of this album and definitely prefer the earlier cd, though I don't love that mastering either. Will I love the wilson edition?
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 21 March 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
Don’t know if you’ll love it but it sounds way better
― akm, Thursday, 21 March 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
It's less crunchy
― MaresNest, Thursday, 21 March 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
Bands used to have a much more compressed history. Yes 71' to '74 went through a pretty astounding amount of changes in a really just a four year period. It's a rare band now even in more underground indie circles that would put out that wide an array of records with key lineup changes and stylistic experiment in such a small period of time. And these guys did it while playing a ton of shows in US/Europe. I suppose if that is considered, it's not hard tor see why perhaps a project like Topographic Oceans might go sideways, there just wasn't real time to get such a big project together. And even when that happened they just swapped out one of the main writers and kept on trucking. I think perhaps laying that much music out including a double live studio and live record may have had Relayer get a short listen in all the smoke.
― earlnash, Sunday, June 15, 2014 3:55 PM (four years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This absolutely freaks me out. The Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, AND Relayer - over a period of only 3.75 years!!!!!!!!!????????What the fuuuck!? Who ARE these guys? (I cannot even maintain a semblance of sense when even thinking about it)
When I am amidst a heavy work assignment, thinking, "I just gave them a Tableau dashboard 9 months ago!", and get a little too unruly, I put on "Soon", and remind myself that in the same 9-month span in the early '70s, Yes would already have recorded an awesome record with a side-long epic which, a few months after buying it it, will make millions of people tear up when the damn title is referenced!
It's rad to see all of the love for TGOD on here (I love Jon's description of the song on the YesYears doc, "They must have thought I was crazy, banging on the piano, screaming da-DA da-DA..." - it's worth the 20 buck for the VHS version alone)
Also, if loving the "cha-cha-cha...cha-cha..." part of "Sound Chaser" is wrong, I don't wanna be right!
― Prefecture, Friday, 22 March 2019 01:50 (five years ago) link
Holy shit this Wilson mix sounds amazing!!!!
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 22 March 2019 03:03 (five years ago) link
Yeah the Wilson mix is gorgeous. Gave me newfound respect for Moraz's playing.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 22 March 2019 04:46 (five years ago) link
his mixes def get slagged off by some purists but I quite like them; good alternates for the earlier albums, and IMO definitive for Relayer.
― akm, Friday, 22 March 2019 14:42 (five years ago) link
this kid gets it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQlgKqkHug&feature=emb_logo
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
Playback error
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
i hope this works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQlgKqkHug&t=15s
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:55 (four years ago) link
fuck. i'll try one more time. it's worth it!
https://youtu.be/PbQlgKqkHug
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
21 minutes of sweet cream, bitch
― doug watson, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
It was a lot of fun watching this kid go on this journey
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
do sound chaser next!!
― jacquees, full of cobras (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
Yep, shit is srt8 fire
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
that was awesome, very wholesome
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
Yes are touring this next year, but I can guarantee that it won't be fire. It might be passably ok though.
― akm, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
dunno if I've posted this in this thread before but I'm gonna post again because holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqR0AP7A_l4
― frogbs, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:44 (four years ago) link
When the pedal steel hits in To Be Over, I'm flying
― J. Sam, Friday, 28 February 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link
so over xmas staying w/ny sister in hastings we met up for the evening w/her oldest friend, who she was at school with in the mid-70s and stayed close to ever since — she’s one of my oldest friends too, we all arrived london at the same time and looked after one another in those long-ago days. and we talked abt all of that — including memories of the time the three of us and others (probably her older sister, certainly her older brother, who was driving; a couple of others long forgotten) drove from shrewsbury to stafford in june 1977 to see YES at fabled 70s mega-venue the BINGLEY HALL: the GOING FOR THE ONE tour anyway since I am spending the weekend packing up the flat I have lived in for 32 years to leave the quarter I have known for 40, and bcz I was therefore in a melancholy and backward-looking mood, I spent 20 mins hunting out and then jigsawing together, on spotify, the setlist for that show, from the relevant albs — my actual-real first rock SPECTACLE. a thing that amuses is that you can now go onto the internet and discover exactly what some act played, and in what order, 46 years ago… • support act was donovan! (no one cared and the crowd was restive 😔)• set design was by roger dean! (it was meant to be elfin caves but it looked like torn multi-coloured tights 😔)• and I quite enjoyed it — tho as always w/music probably as much for the social element as the sound. I had schoolfriends who LOVED yes but they weren’t with us and I was p unfamiliar with the new material. probably I enjoyed the banter in the car there and back as much as the show tbh. we had a giant shopping bag full of ham and chutney sandwiches! anyway it’s what I’ve been listening to all weekend so here’s a youtube of the actual live material of that tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kdRt5bUvA
is this music good or not? i don't know!! patrick moraz possibly wrote more of it than historians allow! routine wakeman deprecation inserted here (he was on-stage in his dumb cape) (everyeone else was in a cape also i think but they looked good not dumb) (here bcz a turrican thread abt a difft alb seems the right place for it)
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:16 (one year ago) link
lol
given a certain poppy zip in parts of GFtO (title track especially) i'm about to attribute as much as possible to Moraz
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:21 (one year ago) link
i feel like moraz (?) was shunting howe a *long* way out of his too-pretty too-fey comfort zone: i never hate how but he's often p wild on this youtube (and of course on GFtO title track) -- i remember he was jerking the steel pedal around on-stage like crazy haha
(which is maybe why he agitated for moraz to get the boot) (howe also a bit of a dick when it comes to teamplay, if the oral histories are a guide)
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:29 (one year ago) link
there's a reason Relayer sounds like they opened a door to wonderful possibilities and then CERTAIN MEMBERS slammed that door shut toot sweet
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:32 (one year ago) link
(it was all of the members except Moraz lol)
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:34 (one year ago) link
i think this tour they were relatively on the same page but next album tormato sowed the seeds of destruction, howe and wakeman and his dumb biotron or whatever it was were filling up every possible space on jon's increasingly twee songs and the sides were drawn. the moraz period plus the yes/buggles version really deserved a second album. i believe the yesshows album documents that tour you saw and some before and after. the funniest thing to me is comparing squire's still proggy outfits in this period to his new wave skinny tie fit on the drama tour
― buzza, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:35 (one year ago) link
it's been too long, i'd forgotten what a stone cold banger Parallels is as a set opener
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:39 (one year ago) link
dave q on tormato lest we forget: The 120 Days of Shameless Bids for Publicity!
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:42 (one year ago) link
i love moraz on relayer but he had the wrong style for the wakeman stuff when they played the hits live (as they always did). weirdly white was bad at what made bruford great and he was much more accepted, anti-swiss discrimination or some such
― buzza, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:43 (one year ago) link
"he had the wrong style for the wakeman stuff" = not content to play 30 mins of pisspoor filler arpeggios during the solo spots 😂🤣
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:45 (one year ago) link
(tbf tho i hate him -- rightly and justifably -- everyone is p on point live chops-wise at this time, not always the case by any means)
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link
the tension between the spacey open vocal on the chorus of Parallels and the vroom vroom of the bass says this is maybe Yes's grooviest era
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:48 (one year ago) link
i mean playing in the style of the records, that wembly (?) or big london show they did on the relayer tour, moraz sounds bad on the old stuff but the sound system at the gig was dire tbf. i really like moraz on record, i'm neutral to wakeman in his first go round with yes but yeah he def got worse as the years went on
― buzza, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:49 (one year ago) link
somewhere (presumably on ilx) i read that moraz had great difficulty staying in tune live -- which is an equipment issue of course not strictly a chops issue -- which wd def fvck up the many passages of keyb sound-colour in the hits, plus of course the fans will always be rise-of-skywalker abt the songs they feel they know and own
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:55 (one year ago) link
as with wembley, bingley hall is also a huge hollow echoey space but i wasn't remotely competent to judge such matters at the time and in fact don't recall this aspect of things one bit
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
I'll take Wakeman's live fiddly arpeggios over Moraz' "squeeeeee!!" pitch wheel fusionisms. Though I like both keyboardists fine in Yes.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 15 January 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
ACAC (all capes are cool)
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 15 January 2023 16:04 (one year ago) link
i listened to a fair amount of the relayer tour live shows this afternoon and (i) yes there are definitely tuning problems tho it's hard to pin down who's causing them (ii) moraz has a jazzy tuning palette at figners end that definitely fvcks with anderson's and howe's normal pretty-chords zone of engagement (the kind of thing that can be kept tidy in the studio bcz there you can add the keybs late in the mix)
#notallcapes
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link
Moraz probs would have worked better with Broof on drums. Yesshows is the best live albums of theirs don't you think? Who the hell is doing the weird yelps during the freak out part of Ritual Nu Sommes De Solei!?!
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 15 January 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
i only started down this long road yesterday -- i do not yet have well developed opinions!
im only really discussing patrick moraz bcz this is the relayer thread and i feel it is incumbent on us all
― mark s, Sunday, 15 January 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link