brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Last Action Hero is well under-rated

'the last action hero is underrated' has been a thing for so long that i think it's now actually over-rated tbh

Like everything else, you just have to choose the correct criticism for you target audience

I got Last Action Hero mixed up with The Last Boy Scout. Turns out they were both written by the same guy.

It didn't turn out that way, he meant it

last boy scout is great

why not enjoy it as half of a shane black double-bill alongside kiss kiss bang bang

politics gets in the way of economics,” Fox said

politics gets in the way of economics,” Fox said

politics gets in the way of economics,” Fox said

politics gets in the way of economics,” Fox said

he's right there. it's one of varoufakis' main talking points also

just like human rights in the way of capitalism, RIGHT COMMUTERS?

Yeah I'm guessing that when Varoufakis says it the meaning is very different from when Liam Fox says it.

Last Action Hero is the Liam Fox of films, in that I'm constantly puzzled by the high regard he gets from anyone at all.

The "Fish Called Wanda" Effect, as it is known

I think it's actually a pretty similar point - that those making deals in the EU are under political pressure to do things which make no economic sense

Larry Elliott throwing some wild ideas today.

Wow @ this.

Rayner gets invited to a round table discussion hosted by Gove TP talk about food and the environment. He declines because After much hard thought, I have concluded I am just not grown up enough to play the game of British politics and sit in a room with a man of whom I think so little. - he really goes in hard on Gove in the opening section as well as, to be fair, being fairly merciless on himself. Despite declining the invitation Rayner decides to submit a report on the food issue in lieu of his absence.

I haven't finished reading his long report yet but this part is so far, the highlight - just to be clear, he sent this directly to Gove:

BACK TO THE UK

And so now the UK sits with dwindling self-sufficiency, in a stormy world in which food has become one of the great economic battlegrounds. Added to that is the appalling folly of Brexit, forced through by a cabal of ideologues happy to trot out falsehoods about the sunny uplands of economic joy that leaving the European Union would bring.

Instead it has resulted in a devaluation of the pound, making imports more expensive and the exporting of our food more attractive.

If, as many fear, a bad deal is done for Britain resulting in huge tariffs and penalties on trade, food price inflation is going to be in double digits for years to come. That’s if we can get hold of food at all. The people who will suffer the most, of course, are those who already have the least. For them the buying of food will use up a massive proportion of their expendable income.

There are major implications for the nation’s health and therefore, over the long term, for educational attainment and class division. The state of our food supply post Brexit has within it the great potential to make Britain an even more unequal society than it already is.

I make no apologies for being a Remainer. The implications for this country of leaving the EU are appalling. It is a project which should be abandoned.

Oops, link: http://www.jayrayner.co.uk/news/michael-gove-asked-me-to-a-meeting-to-share-my-expertise-i-declined-instead-ive-given-him-a-piece-of-my-mind/

Good for him.

the politics and economics of food are going to get very dicey for Brexiteers IMO https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/17/uk-sleepwalking-into-food-insecurity-after-brexit-academics-say

Seeing as we have an extra 20 odd million to feed since WW2, and overall food self-sufficiency has been in decline since the 80's, the Dig For Survival campaign and return of ration books will please the ww2 nostalgia bores!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/The_Good_Life_%28logo_for_1975_TV_show%29.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0949/4056/products/Autarky_Adult_Tantalising_Turkey_Potato_large.jpg?v=1469655819
2021, the year the UK achieved 100% self-sufficiency. But where have all the dogs gone?

ht to bizarro's Soylent Green processing plants

http://www.sweetandnostalgic.co.uk/ekmps/shops/sweet/images/world-war-two-ration-book-replica-1078-p.jpg

ht to bizarro's Soylent Green processing plants

finally, validation

Eh, i'm sure it'll all be fine in the long term.

We have a new paper out: why Britain should allow chlorine-washed chicken to get a quick trade deal with the US https://t.co/zoj0E8ope2

— Ben Southwood (@bswud) July 24, 2017

Surely accepting imports from the US of agricultural products the EU doesn't like means the UK can't export those products to the EU.

tbf if we just agree to whatever demands other countries make we should be able to get trade deals super-quick

"Adults would need to eat 5% of their bodyweight in chlorinated chicken each day to be at risk of ill health from poultry alone."

Love how this is supposed to be reassuring.

I'd still rather eat chlorinated chicken than listen to those dog-shit podcasts that everyone raves about on here.

C2H4O3 traphouse

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british

So are they making him look like a reasonable concerner or is he being a reasonable concerner? As ususal Cardamon wd like ILX help in parsing news story

i think he believes what he's saying, from an economic point of view. i think his solutions/response are at best naive if they amount to trying to create an oasis of state-regulated economics free from the ocean of ultra-liberal free trade that's still running the world beyond the EU

I think he's talking about the literal 'wholesale importation of workers' (in the sense of going to a town in Poland, recruiting 40 people and sending them all to work at the same construction site or factory in the UK, without advertising the work here as well) but the language echoes the standard, less literal, idea of British workers being deliberately replaced across all sectors in a very unhelpful way.

There's a way to frame that, based on a sense of solidarity with exploited labour on both sides, that would be preferable.

Yes, what ShariVari said. Plays really well in Leave-ish areas where there are lots of 'fulfillment centres' and the like.

Why do Sensible Remainer types think John McDonnell is so 'dangerous'? I'm mystified.

he wants full communism in the uk by mid-2018 iirc

Maybe him helping those dangerous disabled protesters into the lobby at Parliament last week was the last straw for some people.

these disabled Trot extremists just undermine the cause of keeping things more or less the same as they are now

Plus MPs were trying to get to the Commons bars and these whingers in wheelchairs were holding them up.

Tbf on them, in the name of egalitarianism and consistency they treat disabled MP's like shit as well.

thread on the specifics of the Posted Worker Directive, which JC seems to be have soecifically been talking about*

Short thread on Posted Workers - I only happen to know about this because the pub I used to drink in is now a hostel for people who are...

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) July 24, 2017

*which is not to say that he didn't express himself clumsily**, allowing his point to be mistaken and mis-relayed by those journalist unaware of said directive, or aware but hostile
**by accident or design :|

Jesus, working away in Coventry used to make want to top myself. But these poor bastards getting trafficked across for minimum wage is a crime.

across Europe*

Yes so my TL has totally blown-up over JC's remarks and its pretty much been used to attack him from the hardcore Remain side but also from the far-left, as a pattern. See this:

<Thread>
Corbyn's anti-immigration turn has been tested out for almost a year. This was entirely predictable & no doubt emboldened by #GE17 pic.twitter.com/eiXz4Qx83e

— A revolting migrant (@KojoRTE) July 24, 2017

Thing is, the way he has consistently voted - his actions - mean it would be quite a turn to take in this alignment with UKIP. It is a dangerous line he is walking on and there might not be a good end to this story.

Pukkah Punjabi‏ @PukkahPunjabi 43s43 seconds ago

How long till Liam Fox feeds a chlorine-soaked chicken to his child for the cameras?

is there a worse politician in the uk than chris grayling?

Never forgiven Grayling for banning books in prison (was always planning to catch up on my reading when I got sent down).

xxp a useful Fox tool, the Liam Foxinator: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/liam-foxinator/neighkpnbclgljfgdmijhabhgifdhabn

hah amazing it works on ILX too!

'Well, there we are.' pic.twitter.com/gfpgL8fC8z

— Kevin (@rascalblog) July 25, 2017

*phew* was worried there for a second

No deal? No problem!

Brexiteer James Dyson rejects notion a Brexit deal is be all and end all insisting WTO tariffs would be "no big deal". pic.twitter.com/lDom89rW4S

— LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧 (@LeaveEUOfficial) July 27, 2017