R Kelly

Here's a charming Drew Millard piece from 2013.

wow that piece is amazingly terrible

matt otm about dero

kelly's music unfortunately is great. i defintely have been a lot less invested in him and his work after these stories started to become more and more numerous tho. seems like a monster

Never liked a note this guy made. To think even early on people were comparing him to Prince...

That Millard piece is a gigantic pile of horseshit.

I belieeeeeve he should diiiie

ugh what a psycho. I've loved his music since I was a youngster but I'm fine putting it aside. pretty hard to separate the art from the artist at this point.

Separating the art from the man becomes virtually impossible given how much of it is about sex.

yea

for sure. it would be difficult to separate this sort of thing for any artist but R. comes off as an insane freak on nearly everything he does which makes it downright impossible.

Separating the art from the man becomes virtually impossible given how much of it is about sex.

yeah he is kind of unusual in this respect, usually artists are more circumspect or obfuscatory (or, dare I say it, artistic) but he doesn't seem to bother

like Spector's got some abusive material in his catalog, but he doesn't have songs that are literally about shooting women (see also James Brown, Michael Jackson, etc.)

well he has one that is about hitting women but yeah

right

sterling's initial reaction on the teenie pron thread is still one of the most O_O things i've seen on ilx

― nomar, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:27 (four hours ago) Permalink

Dude!!

well this is certainly a take

So... R. Kelly is in a polyamorous, dom/sub relationship with multiple consenting adult women. This is alarming why? https://t.co/V0HNSIIRzs

— ElizabethNolanBrown (@ENBrown) July 17, 2017

no one needed that

ah yes, the "naive people should be taken advantage of" school of libertarian commentator

The one place I"m seeing completely different comments is on the FB posts from Windy City Live, the popular Chicago morning show.

Robbie Gold you can't argue with women who take off there clothes causes man to fall they always play the vitamin. That's why man have this problem because women are the cause they don't wanna cover up there bodies. Makes no sense some women these are not ladies but strippers

they always play the vitamin

why you always gotta play the vitamin

Vitamin-blaming

The terrifying thing is that that post was edited

"wait I got something wrong"
*erases "victim", types "vitamin"*
"PERFECT"

sterling's initial reaction on the teenie pron thread is still one of the most O_O things i've seen on ilx

― nomar, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:27 (four hours ago) Permalink

Dude!!

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, July 17, 2017 12:57 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh wow.

libertarians basically exist to provide bad ppl with the justification for their horrible deeds

yeesh, sterling being a super fucking creep. is he still lingering around ILX or is he in prison now

sterling also wrote a piece for the village voice where he dismissively compared the case against kelly to ken starr going after bill clinton

the way ilxor was a safe space for old dudes to talk about young women on those teen pop threads was always so fucking creepy to me

sterling isn't that old, he was at Cal the same time I was if not slightly later...oh maybe I am old. anyway it doesn't make him not a creep.

Sterl is a pretty sharp guy about a lot of other things on ILX and still posts occasionally. I would assume he's fully ashamed of his R Kelly defenses? He never struck me as creepy whenever I ran into him in person.

Slate interview with DeRogatis. Here's the crucial quote, for me:

How long did you work on the story?
Nine months. It came to me in early November.

What was the reporting process like? Was most of that time spent trying to get people to talk?
Most of that time was spent, post–Hulk Hogan and Gawker, finding a media outlet that was willing to run it. I’ve been working with BuzzFeed since Wednesday afternoon, and those were 12-plus–hour days every single day until this morning.

Yeah, that's pretty telling.

Sterl is a pretty sharp guy about a lot of other things on ILX and still posts occasionally. I would assume he's fully ashamed of his R Kelly defenses? He never struck me as creepy whenever I ran into him in person.

― El Tomboto, Monday, July 17, 2017 4:07 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

because you never broached the topic of having sex with minors?

Typically the icebreaker I lead with.

What is the thread you guys are talking about?

R. Kelly busted for teenie pr0n

Sterl's position appears to be that consent laws are arbitrary when it comes to age

tbf they are pretty arbitrary but most reasonable people err on the side of protecting potential victims

How old is fifteen really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75XKGVwGEt4

This underage sex cult news has been around for years btw... Back in 2013 there was an article on villagevoice of how R Kelly had a large amount of civil and criminal lawsuits that have been filed by girls aged 13-16 that he has been acquitted for by the justice system or settled out of court for (presumably) large sums of money and how allegedly Kelly had the girls recruit other girls their age (13-16) and had sex with many of them. Sad it took so many years to confirm the story.

today on Facebook R Kelly (or at least, his team) shared an interesting picture of him with Nelson Mandela comparing their struggles through adversity

ffs

...

http://www.vulture.com/2017/07/r-kelly-raised-alleged-victim-since-she-was-14-or-15.html

woman denying she is being coerced:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/19/entertainment/joycelyn-savage-r-kelly-father/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool

"I haven't been in contact because..."

When asked about her current whereabouts, if she has roommates, or if she’s free to leave, however, all she would say is “I wouldn’t want to speak on that.”
http://www.stereogum.com/1952502/r-kellys-alleged-captive-speaks-out/video/

Sounds legit

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/November-2017/The-Lonely-Crusade-of-Jim-DeRogatis/