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oh no yeah this is not surprising, horrifying but not suprirsing
i meant the logic in that quote josh posted
also i think ilx as a whole really needs to do a mea culpa for how much we used to clown on dero, like okay is he a corny critic, sure, but stuff like this he's doing is real reportage and real journalism and worth more than a boatload of record review, he's really stuck to this story when no one else would and the industry obviously would prefer to forget these children.
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
Seriously. Hopper, for all her work, got far more credit than she deserved for that VV piece, which really in the end just amplified DeRo's voice/reporting. Jim's always done real reporting, though, and done a good job with it, but he's also done and said a lot of silly stuff, which can get in the way.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
I admire Dan's civic dedication in ensuring every R Kelly thread is updated with this.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
I'm imagining him using the office label maker to print stickers and going to the record stores on lunch break to appropriately label every R Kelly related product
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
And I'll say I know that man, he is a friend of mine.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
I did not realize Buzzfeed did real journalism, admirable
horrible story, and even if the sexual misconduct allegations are nothing new I hadn't heard about the manipulative/cultish side of it
just to get the morals clear tho, is the general suggestion that we boycot R Kelly?
― niels, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
sterling's initial reaction on the teenie pron thread is still one of the most O_O things i've seen on ilx
― nomar, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
also i think ilx as a whole really needs to do a mea culpa for how much we used to clown on dero
He can stand by his aesthetic takes and I can happily rubbish them, not that he would need to bother or care what anyone else thinks to start with. I will also gladly distinguish between opinions over said musical aesthetics and, per your note, actual reporting. On that front he has clearly done the work.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
ILX in general should do more of a mea culpa for championing and celebrating the works of R. Kelly, IMO.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
insofar as they were always terrible (Trapped in the Closet is at best a campy trainwreck), yes
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link
his also being a terrible person is indisputable at this point
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link
Here's a charming Drew Millard piece from 2013.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 17 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
wow that piece is amazingly terrible
― nomar, Monday, 17 July 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
matt otm about dero
kelly's music unfortunately is great. i defintely have been a lot less invested in him and his work after these stories started to become more and more numerous tho. seems like a monster
― k3vin k., Monday, 17 July 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
Never liked a note this guy made. To think even early on people were comparing him to Prince...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 July 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
That Millard piece is a gigantic pile of horseshit.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
I belieeeeeve he should diiiie
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
ugh what a psycho. I've loved his music since I was a youngster but I'm fine putting it aside. pretty hard to separate the art from the artist at this point.
― down that brown path (Spottie), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
Separating the art from the man becomes virtually impossible given how much of it is about sex.
― Matt DC, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
yea
― down that brown path (Spottie), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link
for sure. it would be difficult to separate this sort of thing for any artist but R. comes off as an insane freak on nearly everything he does which makes it downright impossible.
― frogbs, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
yeah he is kind of unusual in this respect, usually artists are more circumspect or obfuscatory (or, dare I say it, artistic) but he doesn't seem to bother
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
like Spector's got some abusive material in his catalog, but he doesn't have songs that are literally about shooting women (see also James Brown, Michael Jackson, etc.)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
well he has one that is about hitting women but yeah
― akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
right
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
― nomar, Monday, 17 July 2017 15:27 (four hours ago) Permalink
Dude!!
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
well this is certainly a take
So... R. Kelly is in a polyamorous, dom/sub relationship with multiple consenting adult women. This is alarming why? https://t.co/V0HNSIIRzs— ElizabethNolanBrown (@ENBrown) July 17, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
no one needed that
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
ah yes, the "naive people should be taken advantage of" school of libertarian commentator
― mh, Monday, 17 July 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
The one place I"m seeing completely different comments is on the FB posts from Windy City Live, the popular Chicago morning show.
― Eazy, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
Robbie Gold you can't argue with women who take off there clothes causes man to fall they always play the vitamin. That's why man have this problem because women are the cause they don't wanna cover up there bodies. Makes no sense some women these are not ladies but strippers
― Eazy, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
they always play the vitamin
― Neanderthal, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
why you always gotta play the vitamin
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
Vitamin-blaming
― Eazy, Monday, 17 July 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
The terrifying thing is that that post was edited
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
"wait I got something wrong" *erases "victim", types "vitamin"* "PERFECT"
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 17 July 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, July 17, 2017 12:57 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh wow.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 17 July 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
libertarians basically exist to provide bad ppl with the justification for their horrible deeds
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 July 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
yeesh, sterling being a super fucking creep. is he still lingering around ILX or is he in prison now
― akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
sterling also wrote a piece for the village voice where he dismissively compared the case against kelly to ken starr going after bill clinton
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 July 2017 22:17 (six years ago) link
the way ilxor was a safe space for old dudes to talk about young women on those teen pop threads was always so fucking creepy to me
― kurt schwitterz, Monday, 17 July 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
sterling isn't that old, he was at Cal the same time I was if not slightly later...oh maybe I am old. anyway it doesn't make him not a creep.
― akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
Sterl is a pretty sharp guy about a lot of other things on ILX and still posts occasionally. I would assume he's fully ashamed of his R Kelly defenses? He never struck me as creepy whenever I ran into him in person.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 17 July 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
Slate interview with DeRogatis. Here's the crucial quote, for me:
How long did you work on the story?Nine months. It came to me in early November.What was the reporting process like? Was most of that time spent trying to get people to talk?Most of that time was spent, post–Hulk Hogan and Gawker, finding a media outlet that was willing to run it. I’ve been working with BuzzFeed since Wednesday afternoon, and those were 12-plus–hour days every single day until this morning.
What was the reporting process like? Was most of that time spent trying to get people to talk?Most of that time was spent, post–Hulk Hogan and Gawker, finding a media outlet that was willing to run it. I’ve been working with BuzzFeed since Wednesday afternoon, and those were 12-plus–hour days every single day until this morning.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:22 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that's pretty telling.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 14:13 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Monday, July 17, 2017 4:07 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
because you never broached the topic of having sex with minors?
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
Typically the icebreaker I lead with.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
What is the thread you guys are talking about?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
R. Kelly busted for teenie pr0n
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
Sterl's position appears to be that consent laws are arbitrary when it comes to age
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link