Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Moffatt wasn't aware that the next doctor was a woman was he?
JUst wondering to what extent what are now seen as foreshadowing that were coincidences.
I've heard here that him and Chibnall are friends but did he find out earlier than anybody else did, at least exactly who the actress was going to be.
Could see it coming up in what if conversations, but anything more concrete?

First I saw of Whittaker was as the cynical young docu-maker in the THIS LIFE reunion.

THere's at least one petition around trying to get the BBC to return to the actor portraying the Doctor being male.
What a lovely forward thinking world this is.
I was surprised taht the Daily Mail were expressing an opinion a couple fo days back. Thought it was all lefty immigrant nonsdense to them anyway. Thought the idea of an elite known as Time Lords might have some appeal?

But God, do wonder what tehy think they're going to achieve by such a petition.

Would teh same thing have happened if the Doctor's skin colour changed too?

Most of this shit is insincere trolling rather than motivated by genuine belief. The Mail are actually framing it as evidence of a backlash against male heroes on TV such is their world beating worst take/best possible wind-up algorithm.

i don't personally know any man-babies, so the scattered complaining i've seen has been a little more subdued. who fandom has a long history of outraged parochialism whenever anything new happens - there's a hilarious "WORST. EPISODE. EVER." review by jean-marc lofficier of "the deadly assassin" from when it came out. one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender, but fuck me if i'm going to argue the point with my friend too strongly. i'm not the Feminist Police.

one of my other friends posted "imagine if they'd cast a female LGBTQ person of color in the role!", and i'm thinking well OK I guess there's no reason you _can't_ have both lead characters be queer black women...

one of my friends is all "why does doctor who _have_ to be a woman?", which as far as i'm concerned is totally sexist, because it assumes, against compelling evidence to the contrary, that whittaker was cast solely because of her gender

fucking otm. sometimes casting decisions are made on the basis of how good someone is, not whether they're going to ~ruffle feathers~. the bbc is hardly going to cheap-trick its number one sci-fi property out of existence.

in a way i'm sort of glad this manbaby shit is playing out so early, because once it's out of their systems they'll reduce to a dull roar while the rest of us evaluate the show on things that matter, e.g. whether it's good. i know i won't give two shits about any of this by the time the christmas special rolls in.

and if ian levine wants a bag of dicks he can have one.

The first episode will be set on a misandrist utopian planet where all the men have been killed.

"xir, all our cycles are in sync! what will we do?"

"all the men are dead, you don't need to do anything!"

<much rejoicing and hoovering>

-- END SERIES --

i just… it's not the 1950s any more, obviously a woman can do normal doctor who normally, missy fucking managed it all right

(i know we all agree, just venting)

I just found out there's something I hate more than Doctor Who, and it's Doctor Who misogynists

Life's funny like that: If something's annoying you, there's always something that can annoy you more.

'Doctor' has no gender in English.

— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) July 17, 2017

*arrives out of breath* IT'S... *gasps; tries to catch breath* IT'S TERRANCE DICKS, NOT TERRANCE VAGINAS! *collapses,having owned internet*

— Nick. (@nick_octopus) July 17, 2017

hahahaha

is now a good time to talk about "the prison in space"?

"Prison in Space began as an unproduced serial intended to be part of Season 6 by Dick Sharples. It would have featured a female-dominated planet, previously used in another unproduced serial The Hidden Planet. It would have featured Zoe Heriot starting a sexual revolution, before being brainwashed and then deprogrammed by the Second Doctor, who smacks her on the bottom. It would also have featured Jamie McCrimmon in drag. The story was rewritten when Frazer Hines decided to leave and then again when he decided to stay. Executives were unhappy with it, but Sharples refused to rewrite and it was replaced by TV: The Krotons."

ffs

The Sun and Mail Online have been accused of being “reductive and irresponsible” after publishing nude photographs of Jodie Whittaker in articles covering the announcement that she is the new star of Doctor Who.

Reporting the BBC’s announcement on Sunday that Whittaker would be the first female Doctor, both publications ran articles about Whittaker appearing naked or topless in previous acting work, illustrating the stories with stills.

Equal Representation for Actresses (ERA), a campaign group, said it was surprised and disappointed by the publications’ coverage of Whittaker.

ERA said: “We are delighted by the casting of Jodie Whittaker as the 13th Doctor. However, we are surprised and disappointed by the Daily Mail [Mail Online is owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust] and the Sun’s reductive and irresponsible decision to run a story featuring pictures of Jodie in various nude scenes.”

The Sun published the photographs under the headline “Dalektable” – a reference to the Daleks, an enemy of the Doctor. The article covered pages four and five of the newspaper and described Whittaker’s “saucy screen past”. Mail Online’s article was headlined “Doctor Nude!” and also featured naked and topless photos of previous male Doctors, including Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant and Matt Smith.

Mail Online’s article was headlined “Doctor Nude!” and also featured naked and topless photos of previous male Doctors, including Christopher Eccleston, David Tennant and Matt Smith.

I can't load Mail Online without crashing my browser, but I hope they included this picture:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/bc/aa/edbcaa91bc683140a331486e2d087a4f--colin-odonoghue-boyfriend.jpg

sorry, that's

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/bc/aa/edbcaa91bc683140a331486e2d087a4f--colin-odonoghue-boyfriend.jpg

I can't load Mail Online without crashing my browser

feature imo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/21/former-doctor-peter-davison-says-female-choice-role-means-loss/

former Doctor Who actor has hit out at the BBC’s decision to cast Jodie Whittaker in the role, saying that the decision meant there is “a loss of a role model for boys”

though the actual direct quotes seem a bit more measured than "hit out" might suggest, so possibly the Telegraph is distorting things a little in the pursuit of clicks.

Davison being massacred on twitter rn, he's even being zinged by Ed Miliband, the indignity

In which Dr Who travels back in time to meet the views of the 1950s. Jodie Whittaker is a great model for my two boys thanks. https://t.co/TOCXP92JoU

— Ed Miliband (@Ed_Miliband) July 21, 2017

:(

dammit Peter

you had to figure that w/ however many of those dudes that are kicking around, one was bound to be a bit of a prick about it

Did it have to be the one who played my favorite Doctor, though?

PD has form for saying this sort of thing, which is especially weird given his family connections. But he's a 74 year old man! Of course he's a bit of a prick. Being zinged by real-life Innocent Smoothie label Ed Miliband should be punishment enough, let's forget it.

he's only 66!

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

If you're an old prick, you're still a prick. It may not be surprising, but it's still disappointing.

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

but he supports whittaker's appointment, so that doesn't work either. pricks are just pricks.

Trailer for the Christmas special is out because every sf/f thing is getting a trailer this Comic-con weekend.

I am against this ageist prick-judice from two days ago

ahhh, the colin baker/peter davison feud is one of my favorite things of 2017. here's colin throwing shade on his predecessor for being "eye candy" at sdcc:

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a833641/colin-baker-doctor-who-fans-not-kind-peter-capaldi/

colin's comments are even funnier if you hit the page up button.

xmas trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCkDXegqjR0

glad that bill is back. I'm going to assume she sticks around now

Nope

does she not? is that confirmed? or are you hoping she doesn't?

Mackie has said she's not coming back

you're right, just saw that. that's really too bad, she was a great companion.

great actor, underwritten character

Well just hope we see more of her elsewhere then. But shame she didn't get used more as a character.
How different it would have been to have her for the series we got stuck with Clara for.

Clara's last season was great though.

dammit Peter

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:53 AM (four days ago)

you had to figure that w/ however many of those dudes that are kicking around, one was bound to be a bit of a prick about it

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:03 AM (four days ago)

PD has form for saying this sort of thing, which is especially weird given his family connections. But he's a 74 year old man! Of course he's a bit of a prick.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:39 AM (four days ago)

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:05 AM (four days ago)

If you're an old prick, you're still a prick. It may not be surprising, but it's still disappointing.

― Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:20 AM (four days ago)

pricks are just pricks.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:12 AM (four days ago)

jesus christ you guys

"I think it’s a fantastic opportunity for her and I think that it will be hard for some fans to adjust to it. As I said before, it’s difficult to adjust to any new Doctor, but I think the important thing is that those are uncertain fellows, those who are uncertain should be encouraged to watch it with an open mind. ... I don’t know, I feel... I think the time for discussion about that is past. They’ve made the announcement. Jodie Whittaker is the next Doctor and that’s great!

[question about whether he has any doubts about female casting]

I feel.. if I feel any doubts about it, it’s the loss of a role model for boys, who I think Doctor Who is vitally important for. So I feel a bit sad about that, but I understand the argument that you’ve got to open it up, so that’s absolutely fair enough. So she has my best wishes and full confidence. I’m sure she’ll do a wonderful job.

[question]

As a viewer, I kind of like the idea of the Doctor as a boy, but then maybe I’m an old fashioned dinosaur. Who knows? But I think that’s irrelevant now. The time for discussion is over. We have a new Doctor. And let’s give her our full support.

[question]

I would encourage them to watch. I think there’s too much... you know on the internet... there’s too much bile coming from both sides. And too many people are being horribly sexist about it, and too many people are saying, ‘Well, we don’t care about you. You’re old fashioned. Go away and watch something else.’ I think fans who are doubtful, who are uncertain should be encouraged and welcomed. And just approach it with an open mind.

[question]

Oh yeah, of course. I mean, she’s a terrific actress. And you can absolutely understand it. Look, someone rings you up... I know this feeling... someone rings you up one night. You’re sitting at home and they say ‘how would you feel about being the next Doctor Who?’ It’s a fantastic opportunity, so of course, she grabs it with both hands. I’m sure she’ll do a wonderful job!"

burn this outrageous sexist prick at the stake

by "pricks are just pricks" i meant being old doesn't make someone a prick, as per our full and actual exchange which was:

Ha yeah it's Colin Baker who's 74. Fine! He's more of a prick then.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 July 2017 07:05 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you're an old prick, you're still a prick. It may not be surprising, but it's still disappointing.

― Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Saturday, 22 July 2017 07:20 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but he supports whittaker's appointment, so that doesn't work either. pricks are just pricks.

― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 22 July 2017 08:12 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what if we have independently established that they are terrible and just want to stick it to them

you're right though, ... people ... how terrible they are
― blink truther (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:42 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

U r a monster

ah but AA it is YOU are are removing your own pricknaming from the context of the threadprickening

thou hypocrite, first cast out the prick from thine own eye, that you shall see clearly to cast the choad out from thy brother's

The Choad In God's Eye