― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Also Hunky Dory as Bowie's best - uh? ( for me would come after Low/Heroes/Station/Ziggy/Lodger/Dogs/Young Americans/Aladdin in some sort of order)
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link
I bow to your superior knowledge. Nevertheless 'though (according to AMG) he grew up in California and relocated to New York; but the name of the band and the guests he has on the album (Rufus Wainwright, Devendra Banhart, Lou "New York" Reed) are hardly condsive to producing something quintessentially British, are they?
"There's two Clash albums on that list."
Bugger, you're right, of course. OK then, the 1st / s/t one's OK; but London Calling most definitely isn't.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be his best, merely his most British.... although, re-reading the rest of the list, maybe I'm assuming that the NME editorship would have actually bothered to give the subject a little bit of thought, when in fact this clearly isn't the case.... nevertheless, his most British album by absolute miles must surely be his 1st / self-titled / (aka) Love Me 'Til Tuesday?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link
This is NME shit by numbers, pure and simple. CLOSE THREAD!
― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Some of the defenders are right, there are good albums but no thought was put behind the order. I posted which decade these albums came out in for a reason. Rock was new in the 60's going into the 70’s so the best albums where from that period, period. There is no way the 90’s deserve 31 spots with the 2000’s having 15 spots so far (Kasier Chiefs?), so by the end this decade it will be the best decade ever? If you are a writer for a major publication, no matter how much you like the AM album, number 5 compared to history is ridiculous.
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link
That's a really bad argument. Best novels = written in 1740s? Best paintings = done on cave walls? Best movies = 5 minutes of a bloke washing a horse?
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link
True. Siouxsie (The Scream) should be in, along with The Raincoats (either s/t or Odyshape), The Slits maybe. Spice Girls? Who else?
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link
XTC should be in there : Black Sea prob. GO2 is better.
xpost Teardrop Explodes - YES!
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew!, Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link
OT(fucking)M
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link
It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link
It's not looking good, is it?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link
The built-in redundancy of these lists drives me nuts. It HAS to be one artist-one album. I mean what is the sense in having two Pulp, two Swide and two of the 'britpop' Blur albums in there, when so little new ground is covered between each pair. They're all shit records anyway, but forgodsake CHOOSE between them Likewise Led Zep II and IV. I can see the sense in Bowie having say Ziggy and Low in there, maybe...but not Ziggy and Hunky Dory.
I'd have Soft Machine, Cream, Buggles, Yardbirds, Adverts, Sandie Shaw, The Move, Leftfield, Floyd in there.
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Kirsty McColl.
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Actually, I haven't really read it in so long I don't know if they're being as bullish as they were in the Britpop years w/r/t sidelining all other music that is not guitar-pop-rock in origin.
It's more that they're just (as Nick put it) re-writing history via ommission of all that "other" stuff (electronics, women, black music) and hoping it's readers are dumb enough not to notice.
I actually feel like they've gone too far with it for even the stereotypical 17 year old in Doncaster not to feel like their intelligence is being insulted this time... but time will tell!
xpost - Dr.C, I'm probably just trying to convince myself (and it hasn't worked) that this list is irrelevant, and doesn't need dissecting. Trust me it gets my goat too!!
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not sure of all of that.
They have some major flaw, some of which these post have pointed out but to totally dismiss all of it is rather hollow.
They realize the brillance of Super Furry Animals but forgot the Boo Raldeys so I have some major concerns to do dismiss the whole is list is a cop out, IMO.
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link
But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.
I mean the Q list makes more 'sense' than this, and the bias is understandable because it's a naturally occuring one. This NME list is like a political statement.
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link
We are coming from the same place, just going about it differently.
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
RUBBISH.
― beaux knee (boney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link
No John Martyn either.
No pop either...
seems british means... things twenty something men like or were told to like.
― Danny boy, Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Obvious, but OTM (and the rest of it too).
― fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link
1. The list pretends The Beatles never existed2. At least half of the albums on the list are by African American acts.
Better realise you'll never see a list like that.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link