New York City is for sellouts

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Welcome to Boston's inferiority complex, show starts at 7.

Other reasons for NYC is a built up image of glamour and star power and grit that is long gone and no longer a reality. AKA what Tracer said, it's kind of hard to add anything to what he said. He didn't really mention the drugs.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

Move to NYC and make out with Chloe Sevigny in seedy locales!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, that's actually true.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, this is kind of my point.

I'll agree. Right now if I was recommending places to get out to from somewhere -- strictly in American terms -- I'd suggest Seattle or SF, actually. Those living there would probably have their own perspectives on why this would be good or bad.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

So, Ally, are you essentially saying that there's no good reason to move to NYC as opposed to any other large metropolitan city? Your reasons for moving there seemed mainly personal, and you imply that anything special about the city is now gone. Am I reading you right?

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

True to what Ally said, post-Giluani NYC is like Disneyland.

I've encountered far more grit living in East Dallas than I did in NYC.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get me wrong I love NYC. But would never want to live there. Way too much for me. Boston suits me well enough.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

NYC appears to be the Glasgow of the States.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

I've done it.

Who's moving here, Nick? Anyone I know?

And c'mon: NYC = Disneyland? Don't believe yr own hype, yo. NYC's nightlife is amazing, it's the center of the arts universe, it's filled with a ridiculous amount of beautiful people, you don't need a car and if you are aiming for an entertainment- or financial-related job, it's the place to be.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

Boston = AAA New York

Modj, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link

...and it's [NY's] not the center of the arts universe.

...and entertainment jobs are moving to Canada because of the "Canadian Advantage"

Modj, Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

it's the center of the arts universe

It's stuff like this that sticks in my craw, Yanc3y! I'm not blaming you, I've just heard it too often with further explanation or context -- I'm all for self-fulfilling prophecy and everything but is it actually true?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody you know Yanc3y. Mostly people who were Williamsburg townies or already lived in Richmond, not W&M people.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Yanc3y, ever been to Disneyland? Mickey can tear it up out on the dancefloor.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Do people in NYC get annoyed with all the hipsters or hipster-wannabes moving in or are there too many people moving in and out all the time to care about the influx?

Sarah Mclusky (coco), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Is there anything left that's special or unique about NYC that doesn't exist in any other large US city?

http://www.hollyeats.com/images/New%20York/Hallo-Menu.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link

Excellent Tracer, see also Chinese Cuban food. (but there are bums everywhere)

Where I worked up there, only two of us were native NYers. Everyone else came from somewhere else. One of those natives, my Creative Director, never travelled in the US really. Why should she, she reasoned, when she lived in NYC. She was half French, half English, hardly bathed and was the most obnoxious person ever.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

wow they have snapple in NYC?

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:41 (twenty years ago) link

What is Momus doing sleeping on the pavement? And why is he drinking a Snapple?

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I think that's the singer from Les Savy Fav.

NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

haha worst of both worlds!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

my secret hatred of NYC boils down to one thing....the Yankees. Thank you and good night.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Arts universe explanation: Well, I look at it this way -- the vast majority of book and magazine publishing is based here, the news media is based here, there's a ridiculous number of art galleries (both boutique and major ones) here, Broadway is considered the pinnacle of theater (which is both good and bad, obv.), NYC has a thriving music scene and hell! In the parkling lot around the corner from my apartment street people and actors perform King Lear everynight! (tho last week they were doing interpretive dance to Panjabi MC's "Beware the Boys" -- I stayed and watched it every single night. TRULY TRANSCENDENT!!!") The reason I moved to NYC was cuz I wanted to be a writer, and I knew that this was the place to make that happen.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, which makes me another fucking tourist on a long weekend but so fucking what

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

we've got all that shit in worcester for 1/2 the price.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

Every NY'er that ever deigns to visit the rest of the country can be replied upon to complain about the pizza.

I'm glad NY exists.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

and i do interpretive dance to Van Halen.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

is there anyone who lives in NY that actually hates it?

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

Sam there are bums everywhere I know, i wanted to do a diptych that shows: NY has more cultural collision weirdness, encountered on a daily basis, than any other American city i've been to BY FAR, but concomitant with this is more in-your-face human misery, encountered on a daily basis, than any other American city i've been to BY FAR

i hate it, Chris, or at least i've told myself that many times

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

I wanted to be a writer, and I knew that this was the place to make that happen.

Ya think? I dunno. I have wanted to be/always felt like I am a writer and all, but I figure urban mystique in your brain is where you find it, I can pitch to editors and hash out ideas on-line, you can download all the music and art and whatever you like in life these days, and I can walk out from my door and get great ramen, soul food, Cuban cuisine and fish tacos (and Iranian and Indian food etc.) within a hundred yards. So I dunno, it seems less necessary that NYC specifically should be it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

Tracer's German Soul Food photo is the most OTM thing on this thread. I was gonna post a defense of my town but he's already said it all.

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

I admit that's pretty sweet. There's this one Chinese 50s style drive in around OC that could rival it, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

I think the best place to live as a writer is the place that makes you feel like writing -- I'm not sure local networking is as necessary as it was before the prevalence of the internet, and even comic book writers -- who need to exchange stuff back and forth between editor and artist and letterer and keep to a monthly schedule -- live all over the planet now.

NYC undoubtedly offers more writing-related job opportunities than many places, though.

(The German Soul Food is one of the few things that has made me want to visit NYC.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:51 (twenty years ago) link

I don't understand. It looks just like German food only the word "soul" is thrown in there for no reason that I can see.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

it's pretty much our platonic ideal of 'the city;' anywhere else is just 'a city.'

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, moving to NYC to pursue a creative field=well and good.

Being moved to write verse/stories/songs/scripts about it and capture the "vibe"=horribly cliche.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

But do ya got Thai gyros? I THOUGHT NOT.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

NYC undoubtedly offers more writing-related job opportunities than many places, though.

I'm sure you're right there, given the publishing houses and all -- since that's never really appealed to me as a career path, NYC was never going to be a beacon on that front, but for others (Nabisco, for instance?) it would be a darn good holy grail.

it's pretty much our platonic ideal of 'the city;' anywhere else is just 'a city.'

*rubs chin* Sorta yes, sorta no. Mine seems to be a combination of NYC's transit setup with Melbourne's beachfront and SoCal's food.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

I don't understand. It looks just like German food only the word "soul" is thrown in there for no reason that I can see.

and therein lies the humor

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

As far as a place to be that makes you feel like writing a big city wouldn't do it for me. Too many distractions. Im country all the way. Give me cow shit, green grass, pine trees and lakes.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:55 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/summer/popband.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/summer/skyline.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

I've got a pop band here in my pocket!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/images/myhouse.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

NY has more cultural collision weirdness, encountered on a daily basis, than any other American city i've been to BY FAR, but concomitant with this is more in-your-face human misery, encountered on a daily basis, than any other American city i've been to BY FAR

That's because, what 8 million people pack themselves into 25 square miles or something every single day? (i'm pulling these numbers out of my ass but I'm sure they're not too far off). That's one of the biggest reasons I have for no longer living there.

The most desolate, decript bums I've ever encountered were in London.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/images/blizzardycar.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I was expecting this big culture clash mash up of greens and wurst or something.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

http://bitchcakes.topcities.com/images/budweiser.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.kossarsbialys.com/

Asymmetric Cocktails (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link


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