abacab

IT has 'anything she does' which, while not being as offensive lyrically as "illegal alien", is probably worse musically. I like 'whodunnit'. also, the rest of the album, even the high points, are bland compared to the high points of s/t and abacab. We Can't Dance is a better album.

I agree that 'Mama' is better than anything on Invisible Touch and, uh... no, that covers all the high points of those two records, thinking about it.

It's crazy that You Might Recall didn't make the album. It should have been a hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsV-1FDLTW0

all of the abacab b-sides are great

I love Abacab but the 3 Sides Live version of the title track is, for me, more exciting than the studio version. It does more, as much as I love the studio version's Kraut-y blankness.

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

i had forgotten about the bridge to "no reply at all", so great

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

― akm, Monday, July 17, 2017 7:40 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nope!

...let an opinion of taste reside. akm is not wrong, you just don't agree with his viewpoint. This is yet another reason why debates on music can be so divisive; entrenchment and the inability to keep more than one idea in your head at the same time.

I also enjoy s/t far more than IT, and your "Nope" does nothing to add to the conversation.

Neither does rockism and juvenile namecalling, tbf.

i had forgotten about the bridge to "no reply at all", so great

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, July 17, 2017 7:47 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, that's a great moment - but the track sticks out like a sore thumb on what apparently is meant to be a "new wave" record, and it could do without the horns. Strangely, it sounds more like something that would fit snugly on a Phil Collins solo record than anything on Invisible Touch as a result.

if you wiped the piano track

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

― akm

Agree with this. I'd put an instrumental version Illegal Alien above everything on Invisible Touch too.

'Mama' is the only track on Genesis that's Invisible Touch levels of quality.

^^^ he has a built-in ability to endlessly disagree

Well, it's true. 'Mama' is incredible - the vocal, the atmosphere, the way the acoustic drums pound against the thudding electronic percussion and Collins' demon laugh. It's superb.

However, the rest of the record pales in comparison. 'That's All' is far lighter, breezier, poppier and has less bollocks than anything on Invisible Touch ... even 'In Too Deep' has more weight. The 'Home by the Sea'/'Second Home by the Sea' medley gets some points for attempting to retain the prog, but then gets all points revoked by not being very engaging - this is something that couldn't be possibly levelled at, say, 'Domino' ... 'Illegal Alien' is a complete embarrassment, 'Just a Job to Do' is a woeful attempt at funk, and 'Taking It All Too Hard' as a ballad is nowhere near as good or as memorable as 'Throwing It All Away' or 'In Too Deep' ... 'Silver Rainbow' could have been decent, but it's let down by its corny chorus, and I can't remember anything about 'It's Gonna Get Better' aside from that it reminded me of The Style Council circa The Cost of Loving, which is not a good thing at all.

..so pertinent to discuss records that this thread is not about... more irrelevance from your hand.. Turd police, signing out.

^ This guy is 49 years old. Apparently.

but then gets all points revoked

does it get to earn them back? how long will that take, I am concerned about this record not having sufficient pointage when all is said and done

man I love dodo/lurker

Meanwhile lurking by a stone in the mud
Two eyes looked to see what I was and
Then something spoke and this is what
It said to me.......

first few bars of dodo start off like something off king crimson's red. and then it turns into this odd skank prog bologna

wondering if any dance records have looped the goofy lurker riff

if not why not

not really thought aboput this before but elements of dodo sound a lot like the police's behind my camel which obv came out on zenyatta mondatta one year earlier

Omg at "skank prog bologna"

Green would approve, though probably not of Genesis.

thank u nickb for "skank prog bologna"

does it get to earn them back? how long will that take, I am concerned about this record not having sufficient pointage when all is said and done

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:06 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It does, but it never does.

I don't know. even the prog attempts on IT strike me as hollow and unengaging. There are bits of Domino that are interesting, and the Brazillian, but they seem very rote to me, and there is no heart in them. The songs sound thin, sonically, and compositionally: they don't sound like they spent very much time writing them. Maybe it's just because I spent more time with s/t than that album since s/t I got when it was released; but the pop songs on there are fantastic, interesting, engaging; and In Too Deep just sounds like easy listening pap to me.

Collins' singing is full of heart on 'Domino'!

akm otm

Well, I couldn't possibly agree with Invisible Touch being hollow and unengaging - absolutely not. If anything, it's an inviting and relatable record that's easy to connect with as the songs deal woith real human emotions, rather than fall back on wacky fantasy nonsense. The songs don't sound "thin" at all, rather they've pruned away anything that doesn't need to be there - all meat, no fat.

This is another failure of Abacab: it's meant to be a more urgent, stark, direct record, but the epics on here are anything but, and thus ultimately tedious. Invisible Touch doesn't have this problem.

this thread is forcing me to look deep inside and reexamine some longstanding core principles

Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show.

the songs deal woith real human emotions, rather than fall back on wacky fantasy nonsense

i already regret engaging but, which songs on abacab do this beyond "dodo"

The title track.

I want to see Phil drum battle against Animal.

The title track.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:40 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i must not be reading it right

^^^ he has a built-in ability to endlessly disagree

― Tim F, Monday, July 17, 2017 8:12 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is hilarious btw tim

Well, maybe just the heartbreaking second half of the title track.

"Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show."

well his spitting image puppet would have made a great guest on the muppet show, then we could have had a puppet-off

Phil sighting at 1:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wCOuLZmt1c

Has anyone watched the Phil Collins This Is Your Life? I just skipped to the Genesis section as it seems like the worst show in the history of television.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPn2FQpWz0k

I've seen the Mike Rutherford one. I don't think Jonathan King makes an appearance as I believe it arrived during his Proto-Yewtree period

man I'm sorry but I just tried to listen to Anything She Does and that song is just straight up garbage.

Excellent song. Great chorus.

benny hill in the video iirc

song couldve used some yakety sax to liven it up a bit imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdyEiZG9fdQ

this thread is forcing me to look deep inside and reexamine some longstanding core principles

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:22 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:30 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great 1-2 punch