What's the best Genesis album?

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Tim F, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:47 (one year ago) Permalink

*cranks Moving Pictures*

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

One thing I was wondering last night was "who was heavily influenced by the post-prog Genesis albums?"

Duke is too prog I think to sound too much like stuff that isn't also at least partially steeped in prog traditions. As I said upthread it reminds me a lot of Marillion's Clutching at Straws, which I guess was an example of a band who had effectively been histrionic early-Genesis understudies grappling with the same question of how to transition to "proper" songwriting (rather than just "pop" per se), and is also the only Marillion album I listen to very much.

But surely there must have been many artists influenced by Abacab / Genesis / Invisible Touch? And I don't mean in a generic "no one got out of the 80s alive" sense, but as in, these particular albums (or maybe just one of them!) were a specific stylistic touchstone??

In some ways these three albums sound very, erm, "Canadian" to me? I wonder if Jane Siberry was a fan of this era of Genesis?

Tim F, Friday, 14 July 2017 21:58 (one year ago) Permalink

That's an interesting question and one that I've been pondering myself over the last couple of days - the most obvious answer I could come up with was Marillion, who you've mentioned as being heavily influenced by Gabriel-era Genesis, although I'm sure they continued to follow Genesis into the '80s. Ultimately, though, I don't know - a lot of what I'm thinking of that happened after Invisible Touch could be considered to be a reaction against it in some way.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 22:07 (one year ago) Permalink

I've always thought that Tears for Fears "Songs from the Big Chair" was very influenced by post prog Genesis. Especially at its, well, proggiest - Broken, Mother's Talk - but also how the drums, Strats and synthesizers sound.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:12 (one year ago) Permalink

God, "You Might Recall" from the Abacab sessions is insanely good. I don't know why I hadn't heard it before.

jmm, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:17 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost oooh yes that's a good answer. Also just the general glassy grandeur of the songs is kind of positioned halfway between Duke and the rest of new pop.

Tim F, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Prog coincidence or no, credits on that TfF album include Jerry Marotta (Peter Gabriel's drummer) and Mel Collins (from King Crimson). Phil himself plays drums on the next album, on "Woman in Chains."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:21 (one year ago) Permalink

In some ways these three albums sound very, erm, "Canadian" to me? I wonder if Jane Siberry was a fan of this era of Genesis?

Ha, when you put it that way, I bet Gowan was into pop Genesis.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 14 July 2017 22:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Indio's Big Harvest (also Canadian) has always reminded me of post-So Peter Gabriel. ha, I see that David Rhodes played with both.

doug watson, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:33 (one year ago) Permalink

But really, Tim, speaking as a Canadian, I have no idea WTF you mean

doug watson, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:34 (one year ago) Permalink

Songs from the Big Chair doesn't remind me of Genesis at all.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:43 (one year ago) Permalink

It's basically a mid '80s synthpop record with a bicycle pump shoved up its arse.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Vinnie Colaiuta could play anything Peart could, and then some, but Peart could not play "Nightshift" by the Commodores. And I have no doubt that Jeff Porcaro could play Rush songs, too, but Peart could not play "Billie Jean."

Josh, you complete me.

didgeridon't (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:51 (one year ago) Permalink

the "who had better chops" thing is always pretty silly but particularly silly in this case. I mean by any measure both these bands had a buttload of chops, more chops than any band would reasonably need and both used them to make some of the most ludicrous and awesome rock music, by no reasonable standard would you say well the problem with Rush or Genesis? just didn't have the chops, shoulda taken more lessons

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Of course not, but Rush do have the superior chops.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 14 July 2017 23:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Also the idea that Neil Peart couldn't play 'Billie Jean' is hilarious - of course he could, but it probably wouldn't interest him to do so.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Stop now

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Of course not, but Rush do have the superior chops.

― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, July 14, 2017 4:58 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

someone get me out of this loop

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:01 (one year ago) Permalink

lol ok man like I just listen to Supper's Ready and all I can't think is man too bad Banks isn't even more of a wanker cuz this really could use Rick Wakeman jizzing Canterbury Tales analog synth all over the track like a frickin firehose

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:06 (one year ago) Permalink

off this topic I think it's interesting, Abacab is 81 and Signals is 82, which at that point the two bands are as stylistically similar as they ever got, like there's not a million miles between Abacab's title track and Subdivisions.

one thing we never considered is a band that was influenced by post Gabriel Genesis might have been Rush themselves

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:08 (one year ago) Permalink

Geddy picked Nursery Chryme as of his favorite albums of all time in The Quietus:

Genesis - Nursery Crime
Well I was a big fan of Genesis and Peter Gabriel. That was when I first discovered the notion of a 'concept' and that it could be an adventurous and lively place and not dull at all. It is a very playful and compelling record. I fell in love with the sound of it. I was totally entranced by it and wanted to know how they had done it. This is part of the roots of Rush. The creation of a flexible concept. The parallels are obvious.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Nah, Signals is just basically natural evolution from Moving Pictures... they were headed in that direction anyway.

It's well known they were influenced by Gabriel-era Genesis, though... Lifeson claims one of the lead guitar parts on 'The Fountain of Lamneth' is influenced by Hackett. It doesn't matter though, the took those influences and improved on them colossally.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Cosigning Tim's request to stop as I'm getting flashbacks to Grade 10

doug watson, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:28 (one year ago) Permalink

This discussion would have been over again if the Genesis hardcore hadn't protested so much... but I agree, let's suck it up and move on.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:32 (one year ago) Permalink

*again=ages ago.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes Turrucan it was definitely the.... Genesis faithful...that were belaboring the point

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:46 (one year ago) Permalink

we're just like the stevie nicks coven that keeps ruining he fleetwood mac threads

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Haha

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:00 (one year ago) Permalink

To be fair Brad, suggesting that music doesn't necessarily resolve into a rigid hierarchy of objective greatness is pretty ruinous.

Tim F, Saturday, 15 July 2017 01:16 (one year ago) Permalink

Ok, the moment that none of you have been waiting for..

The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
Abacab
Genesis
Foxtrot
Duke
Selling England By The Pound
Trick Of The Trail
Wind & Wuthering

(bit of a drop in quality here)

Trespass
Nursery Crime
Then There Were Three
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance

I haven't heard the first and last albums yet but nothing I've read has convinced me I should give them a shot.

A big thank you to the posters on here who've made me listen to the Collins era with an open mind. I was missing out on some really great music (especially Abacab).

kitchen person, Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:40 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't heard the first and last albums yet but nothing I've read has convinced me I should give them a shot.

― kitchen person

the first album is really good if you're into '60s-era bee gees!

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Sunday, 16 July 2017 03:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Stopped reading that list after the third entry, tbh.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 10:03 (one year ago) Permalink

Glad you found some new titles to enjoy. Turrican is toxic; pay him no mind -- i called him the new "Gier" but that's too good for his foul, over-bloated ego. Call him Turdican, or just Turd for short.

bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 July 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

this is so the most metal non-metal song evah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTuJQL8GBqY

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I fucking love that track - both musically and lyrically. In fact, if we were to poll this band, all three of the Nursery Cryme epics would make it onto my ballot without hesitation.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

I haven't heard it in many years but there are so many great parts I forgot about, listening to it now.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:31 (one year ago) Permalink

The swelling mellotron on the intro to 'The Fountain of Salmacis' is one of my favourite moments in a Genesis song ever, as well as the rocking out sections in 'The Musical Box' etc. etc. As much as I find Nursery Cryme, in a way, to be a bit of a dry run for Foxtrot, it's got some stunning moments on it. With a better production job it could have even been one of their best ever.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:33 (one year ago) Permalink

The early epics rock hardest on Genesis Live. Plus that album cover is one of my favourite rock images.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:41 (one year ago) Permalink

The shredding guitar solo bits on "Musical Box" feel a bit proto-Maiden to me.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 July 2017 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

something something two-handed tapping something

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Monday, 17 July 2017 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink


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