Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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Halfway through. This should take us to the bittersweet end.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:31 (two years ago) link

SOILER

BOB is a cylon

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

That you can only see if you're high on the drugs.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:33 (two years ago) link

What are you talking about, there are no drugs in this season, just a couple of alcoholics

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:38 (two years ago) link

Few can see him: the gifted... and the daaaaamn dude how much did you take?

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:41 (two years ago) link

wow you guys are hilarious remind me to never write a post in 1 minute without thinking it through before a bunch of know it alls jump down my throat

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

fuck me for writing a few sentences about a tv show at lunch time and not being consistent. what a horrible, stupid person i am

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:44 (two years ago) link

Time for a new thread guys

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (two years ago) link

We did our best.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:46 (two years ago) link

nobody called you horrible or stupid Adam, ppl are just goofin

anyway this show is awesome

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (two years ago) link

really wish there were some animated gifs from ep 8 that I could use as a screensaver or something

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:48 (two years ago) link

I made this thread to get off that subject!

I love how much Briggs there was in the last episode. You can feel how much both lynch and frost really love the character. Charlotte Stewart, although she had v little to do in the original series, is part of Lynch's Eraserhead family along with the much-missed nance & coulson, and I remember Dana ashbrook saying in interviews that he always looked upon Stewart and Davis as surrogate parents; this all comes through v strongly in the chair scene. It's also interesting to think that the Briggses are very devout Catholics (this is emphasised again in the missing pieces although it's played somewhat for laughs which is a slight return to the s1 characterisation of garland as the pompous, oblivious parent) - their faith feels key to understanding garland's message, given just before he "died", and Betty's just accepting what she had to have known was a farewell & subsequently keeping the secret till the right time.

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 16:59 (two years ago) link

huh I must've missed/forgotten the Catholic stuff

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:01 (two years ago) link

I only know the denomination because the frost book makes a big point of it but their Christianity was in the first season & in the missing pieces he's reading aloud to Betty from the book of revelations at the dinner table(!)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (two years ago) link

I didn't realize until embarrassingly recently that that was Charlotte Stewart in Eraserhead (which I've seen at least as many times as I've seen any of the Twin Peaks episodes she was in).

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:11 (two years ago) link

he reads from the book of revelation. that's all i remember regarding him and religiosity.

xp. are we considering the frost book as canon? i wouldn't personally

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:19 (two years ago) link

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (two years ago) link

Which is basically Lynch's stated perspective on it, as well, iirc.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:27 (two years ago) link

Lynch and frost are both like "canon schmanon" which is kinda my attitude too but I think we can get an idea of his conception of the character from the book

In general tho I feel like the log lady introductions and palmer family interview are more relevant than the book even though they can't logically exist in the world of the show

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:28 (two years ago) link

thanks to the allure of the ridiculous amazon prime day, I have given in and will be reading the Secret History book this weekend

what have you people done to me

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:30 (two years ago) link

I think of Frost's book as another facet of the TP jewel. Its perspective (not to mention some of the pertinent details) doesn't quite jibe with that of the show but it's an intersting alternate take.

Yeah this basically. All the books are like different approaches to the same story. Even with fwwm I remember reading that lynch told a member of the crew re discontinuity (hairstyles, locations, weather, you name it) "think of it as a parallel universe"

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:31 (two years ago) link

I'd just got used to where the tp link was in my list of bookmarks, damn it!

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:42 (two years ago) link

important erratum: in the previous thread where we were discussing that Crossroads film which seems like an important influence on the nuke sequence in episode 8, i said that the Terry Riley album that was very similar to his score to Crossroads was Persian Surgery Dervishes, but it's not, I meant to say Descending Moonshine Dervishes. I don't even own Persian Surgery Dervishes. As you were!

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:15 (two years ago) link

sorry mr. lynch pic.twitter.com/ZICATyxBwP

— Chris Person (@Papapishu) July 12, 2017

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:19 (two years ago) link

Showtime says the show is averaging around 2 million viewers across all platforms.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/twin-peaks-ratings-2017-season-4-game-of-thrones-1201853930/

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:41 (two years ago) link

is that good or bad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:43 (two years ago) link

I think that's very good in terms of the viewership of today.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:46 (two years ago) link

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

mh, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:47 (two years ago) link

it's not bad from what I know, but I also could not give less of a shit either way, can't imagine there'll be more episodes after this in any case

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:48 (two years ago) link

don't really see this as competition with GoT which I would think has a totally different (and stupider) audience

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

just gettin some ad homs in for laffs there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:49 (two years ago) link

I'm picturing Gordon yelling, "These are some good numbers, Tammy!"

― mh, Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:47 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:51 (two years ago) link

Seems like Showtime is genuinely pleased, so good enough.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:02 (two years ago) link

I mean on the off chance they greenlight On the Air: The Return.

Chris L, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:03 (two years ago) link

oh yeah game of thrones that reminds me

sky atlantic is gonna simulcast it which means they're not gonna simulcast twin peaks any more, it's gonna be on at 3am instead of 2am :-(

(still gonna watch it then obv)

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:06 (two years ago) link

I'm on the hook for a GoT viewing at my neighbors' sunday night which means I have to ask my Twin Peaks team to postpone to Monday night

I do not prefer this, needless to say

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:09 (two years ago) link

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:14 (two years ago) link

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:15 (two years ago) link

shrug, nobody watches tp live anyway as documented above so whatever

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

xp

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:16 (two years ago) link

why would Showtime's competition be concerned anyway? GoT is a juggernaut, i doubt HBO's much concerned about what else happens to be airing at the time.

xpsss

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:17 (two years ago) link

I did not realize GoT was going to be airing at the same time as TP. That seems unnecessarily prickish of HBO.

pretty sure they're airing it at the same time as the last 6 seasons.

my plan is to watch GoT and then TP, in that order, on sunday nights. it's really hard to do the other way around.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:18 (two years ago) link

What shows before TP Sundays on Showtime?

Dan I., Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:19 (two years ago) link

the previous week's tp, by the look of it

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:27 (two years ago) link

also looks like they're changing the time - starting in august it'll be on an hour earlier. 8pm there, 1am here

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:29 (two years ago) link

TP is the first show in ages that I've made the effort to watch as its airing.

Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:31 (two years ago) link

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

kinda haunted by this shot. happened so quickly i barely noticed the photo.

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

oops

http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Johnny2.jpg

circa1916, Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:34 (two years ago) link

Andy and Lucy are really reminiscent of something about the French clowning tradition. On the Air had a lot of the same feel to it, too. Can't put my finger on it--the way they're "funny" instead of actually being funny.

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:15 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was struck by how much they are literally clowns. Andy's paunch is part of the costume, but if you slapped the make up on them you wouldn't have to change their behavior one bit. xpost

― Dan I., Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:16 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a great observation. I was trying to think of what was so weird and creepy about goaz's performance here, I think you nailed it. I normally love the a&l scenes in the return but where I think it loses something in this mode is when they go for tenderness. the way he like air-nuzzles her gives me the willies

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 13 July 2017 19:35 (two years ago) link

oo is she an Au Revoir Simone? because I really like them

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 30 March 2020 04:12 (five days ago) link

No slight to the performers, but my favorite thing on the Roadhouse stage was the volume knob.

The best in-show music bit was the pitched down American Woman.

Cow_Art, Monday, 30 March 2020 04:38 (five days ago) link

yes she is an au revoir simone

dan selzer, Monday, 30 March 2020 04:55 (five days ago) link

Nice. They played Lynch's wedding too, I believe.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 30 March 2020 05:32 (five days ago) link

i think i'm assuming correctly that david bowie in fwwm acted exactly how lynch wanted him to.

billstevejim, Monday, 30 March 2020 06:09 (five days ago) link

He probably wouldn’t have asked for his voice to be replaced in S3 if he felt he’d given Lynch exactly the performance Lynch wanted.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Monday, 30 March 2020 06:24 (five days ago) link

Well, that may be because there were a bunch more Philip Jefferies lines in the show and he didn’t feel up to recording them / had other fish to fry

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 30 March 2020 07:47 (five days ago) link

nah, he specifically asked to have his voice replaced in the FWWM footage - he didn't know at the time he declined to appear on-camera that Lynch would instead sculpt a giant talking steam boiler to replace him.

Lynch still thought his performance was great, but didn't get to tell Bowie that:

I think someone must have made him feel bad about his Louisiana accent in Fire Walk With Me, but I think it’s so beautiful. He wanted to have it done by a legitimate actor from Louisiana, so that’s what we had to do.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Monday, 30 March 2020 08:39 (five days ago) link

Timely snippet from the same interview:

How did you decide to use Polish composer Krzysztof Penderecki’s “Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima” in the nuclear explosion scene in “Part 8”? Did you always have that music in mind for that scene?

I was going to experiment with Angelo but that thing was, in my mind, made to order. I did chop it up a lot so that I could get different sections for the visuals, but it was just meant to be.

How did you feel watching that scene set to that music?

It felt real good. The problem is that, in the studio, we played it in the mix really loud, so it would be more like you’d hear it in a theater. Then the heartache comes when you have to dial it back for television, because they have these restrictions as to how loud these things can be and how long they can be loud for; many different rules, it’s really not so great. It’s like when you know what it can be and then you have to suffer that [dilution], and people see it on their computer or even, my god, on their phone—it’s like a nightmare. There’s so much fucking power in that scene, and in this world people would love to hear what’s there, but the machines [which we watch things through] aren’t there any more. It’s got to be full range and full loud.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Monday, 30 March 2020 09:03 (five days ago) link

I like that Wild West song a lot: NIN was not my bag. Whether I liked the songs or not, the scenes were a great tension release and wind down.

Bowie is in FWIW so briefly he doesn’t really have time to register as bad. He’s fine. Good, even! It’s very brief. Terrific scene, in no way made worse by Bowie.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 30 March 2020 10:44 (five days ago) link

Twin Peaks: For What It's Worth

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2020 11:35 (five days ago) link

In the ep 14 scene w/ Andy and the Giant/Fireman, my first thought was "Barney Fife and Lurch, together again."

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2020 11:36 (five days ago) link

i was not aware of this short!

From the moment David Lynch started making films, he used Krzysztof Penderecki's compositions to score them.

The first time was in 1967 for the 2-minute short “Absurd Encounter with Fear” starring Jack Fisk and Peggy Reavey. Watch it here: https://t.co/agj7clBBtt

— Twin Peaks 🏔️ ◀- 6 feet -▶🏔️ (@ThatsOurWaldo) March 31, 2020

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:37 (four days ago) link

Absurd Encounter with Fear, kinda sums him up right?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:41 (four days ago) link

yeah, in some important ways it was all there at the beginning!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:43 (four days ago) link

that short has definitely not lost its power.

current (jed_), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:04 (four days ago) link

I watched s3e8 and a bunch of his shorts the other night. I had not seen these since about 14-15 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYJ6gjZOCc&list=PLAqDCLWD9bNNz6gluJN583d_gbCXIjB4A&index=11&t=0s

billstevejim, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 21:26 (four days ago) link

aah well i was trying to post the playlist but here's the short i was hoping to embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnYJ6gjZOCc

billstevejim, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 21:27 (four days ago) link

back to alleged thread topic

wtf Cockney green-gloved YouTube star

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 22:08 (four days ago) link

I have a theory about him that I will save until you get through the rest of the series, but yeah, he is a whole lot of wtf.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 22:33 (four days ago) link

Green glove was originally going to be worn by Jack Nance, but he up and died.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 22:37 (four days ago) link

oh man :( that would have been perfect.

current (jed_), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:57 (four days ago) link

I dunno, it’s so goofily discordant for me that I think I prefer it on this complete sore-thumb character. Though obv we’ve no idea what 2017’s Pete would be like.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:18 (three days ago) link

had no idea Gordon Cole's name was a Sunset Blvd ref

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:33 (three days ago) link

omg you're so close

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:42 (three days ago) link

surprised that one went past Morbz tbh

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:12 (three days ago) link

I don't think he's even a character that appears onscreen in SB, fer chrissake.

brb gonna stick a fork in the socket

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:24 (three days ago) link

Viewing complete.

Final two eps had two of the worst moments of the series, ie (17) fucking Freddy punching BOB's volleyball and (18) the ludicrous Diane-Cooper sex scene.

I did like the resolution, which I interpret as... get ready...

You can't save anybody.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:15 (eight hours ago) link

The scene where they are sitting in the car not saying anything for like 10 minutes is the one that broke me

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:18 (eight hours ago) link

My theory about Freddie and his glove is that it is Lynch's take on Marvel-style superhero films

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:19 (eight hours ago) link

freddie the glove is heroism as bathos

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:21 (eight hours ago) link

That immensely long YouTube piece arguing for the true nature of Twin Peaks as an exegesis of television itself is quite illuminating on those plot elements. I found it pretty convincing overall.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:44 (seven hours ago) link

gotta light link?

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:48 (seven hours ago) link

lol

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 April 2020 03:50 (seven hours ago) link

Maybe that's DoppelDiane instead of Real Diane.
― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Monday, July 17, 2017 9:27 AM

Kudos!

Also to Simon's podcast partner who called Diane as Naido.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:00 (seven hours ago) link

I enjoyed the series very much.

And is the case with almost all of Lynch works, 10-20% of it was shit.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:01 (seven hours ago) link

btw when Cooper showed up at Carrie Page's door, she was speaking and acting very much like Kim Novak's Judy (her second incarnation) in her early scenes in Vertigo. I suspect that was conscious.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:04 (seven hours ago) link

What did you make of Audrey by the end of her appearances, Morbs?

donald failson (sic), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:11 (seven hours ago) link

xxxp it’s at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AYnF5hOhuM

Be warned it’s 4.5 hours but I suppose many folks have time on their hands. I watched it at 1.5 speed over a few days. It’s a little self-satisfied but I was persuaded by a lot of it.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:20 (seven hours ago) link

jesus fuck

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:23 (seven hours ago) link

why is it so long

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:23 (seven hours ago) link

what I made of it, sic, is Lynch being cruel to the fans. Audrey is probably institutionalized.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:23 (seven hours ago) link

I guess I was right! though I don't give a shit about anything that wasn't on the teevee.

https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/twin-peaks-audrey-horne-truth-revealed-spoilers-1201892814/

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:27 (seven hours ago) link

yeah I don’t care about anything in Frost’s books (Jennifer Lynch’s Secret Diary Of Laura Palmer is proper Twin Peaks though)

donald failson (sic), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:51 (six hours ago) link

(and Frost should always be part of TV Peaks)

donald failson (sic), Saturday, 4 April 2020 04:52 (six hours ago) link

I agree, but the "explanatory" video has no truck with anything off-screen. I have no idea why it needs to be *quite* that long, but the presenter is anxious to demonstrate that every single thing in S1, S2 up to the reveal and final 2 eps, FWWM, Missing Pieces and S3 can be understood in that framework. I guess it's 40ish hours of material to cover. I was impressed, anyway.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 4 April 2020 05:08 (six hours ago) link

i am intrigued, but i'll have to get over my natural distrust of a person who posted a 4.5 hour video on youtube

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 4 April 2020 05:12 (six hours ago) link

shoulda done about 20,000 posts instead

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 4 April 2020 05:19 (six hours ago) link

I have similar distrust of "what's up YouTube" narcissists but the ideas are worth sticking around for

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 4 April 2020 05:46 (five hours ago) link

Also to Simon's podcast partner who called Diane as Naido.

Thanks for listening :)

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Saturday, 4 April 2020 06:43 (four hours ago) link


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