Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.

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That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.

Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.

I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet

time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action

Reservoir Doges

what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud

xp why did you make me google it

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lol

QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?

DANIELA: QUENTIN.

QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?

http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg

QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*

hahahaha

RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship

pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.

Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.

Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.

Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.

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There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.

I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.

Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.

Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-21q65Zr2qSs/Tq7usF5wGJI/AAAAAAAACT4/5AmDwPDb1t8/s1600/From+Dusk+Till+Dawn+1+10.jpg

He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh

Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.

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There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)

That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.

There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.

they should adopt from "On His Own Words":

http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg

there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.

Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?

— ＮＯＴ ＲＥＣＯＮＣＩＬＥＤ (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017

LOLLLLLLL

Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:

Cochise • 11 hours ago
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

that was my first thought

Oliver Stone should have tried this in the 90s. get some of that Doors vibe in there

Excellent, a pregnant woman stabbed to death, and her blood being used to write "PIG" on the front door. Bit of Dusty Springfield over it. 👍 pic.twitter.com/caGENMlYhQ

— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) July 12, 2017

i can't believe they are going to make a movie about a murder. what a time to be alive.

I'm curious here...have you always been this blase about everything or what.

meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker.

I still don't know if that would add anything: what you're describing has kinda been the narrative since Didion at least, and late 60's a much more well-trodden period than OJ's 90's.

Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

This is almost a best case scenario for me. I'll take a cowering Manson getting his comeuppance over yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy, which is what it'll probably turn out like.

I'm curious here...have you always been this blase about everything or what.

yes for year and people keep bringing it up like it is a new observation.

for years rather

yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy

you know he wasn't the only person involved. he wasn't even there for the famous murders. there is a whole cult full of people and personalities.

of course don't let that stop you from judging a movie that hasn't been made yet.

Oliver Stone made a fucking 9/11 movie five years after the fact. What's the damage here? I understand people not being excited about broken record QT making this, but why the indignation over making a movie about a very famous murder that happened nearly 50 years ago?

World Trade Center and United 93 are so much more contemptible and offensive than anything QT has done.

agree xpost

I am still something of a Tarantino believer sigh - and think there is the possibility of a good film from this. I like the wayward nature of his filmography - he hasn't just ground out endless variations of Pulp Fiction, he made two period Westerns in a row etc - and this seems to me an unexpected and interesting choice. His first foray into non-fiction - it could be his Zodiac.

Martha Marcy May Marlene was the perfect pseudo-Manson movie imo. Maintained just the right tone without veering into exploitation. I guess it's pretty much a guarantee that Tarantino will maniacally whip the wheel directly towards exploitation, which is what gives me pause here (given certain details mentioned above).

I just confused Rolling Thunder with Blue Thunder and could not compute.

"Blue Thunder" is John Badham, right? I used to watch that movie a lot on cable as a kid (at a friend's house). And the TV show, too! Which, until watching this trailer, I had no idea co-starred Dana Carvey!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROZpwD7kQys

Hell I saw the movie way back when and forgot Daniel Stern was in it!

I saw it as some kind of bonus screening for a film class a week before it premiered, which is why I was so sure of the release date.

OK, now "Deliverance," that's a movie. I guess I kinda agree with Ebert's contemporaneous review, in that there's not really as much going on as the movie perhaps thinks it has going on, but like fellow violent fantasy "Dirty Harry," there's still enough to talk and think about. Also like "Dirty Harry," I see echoes of it in tons of stuff that came after, right up to the present, both good and bad, and cross-genre (though especially horror). The big difference is that unlike that aforementioned list, including "Dirty Harry," this one is extremely well made by a director that really knows what he's doing and a DP that really knows how to make it look great, though I suppose "Dirty Harry" gets nearly as much out of its urban setting as this one gets out of rural Appalachia. And more importantly, no annoyingly omnipresent folly work. Boorman is smart enough to frequently let the relative silence speak volumes.

assuming folly=foley

Ha, yeah. The other more inept movies had more folly work.

Rolling Thunder is particularly good imo. Weirdly sensitive and soulful piece of work for what should have been a basic piece of revenge exploitation. Fantastic performances in it too. Some talk about it in a Paul Schrader thread here recently.

https://deadline.com/2023/05/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-star-rick-dalton-dead-quentin-tarantino-declares-1235373860/

Rick Dalton, 1933-2023

Is he alright?

no, he’s dead

For how long?

As someone who liked this film a lot the idea that we need to be filled in on Rick dalton lore feels depressingly wrongheaded

Both QT books look unreadable — he’s a bad writer — but I agree that it’s silly to expect different even if I’m not familiar with his podcast work (just the fact that his career finds its rightful place there is perfect, it’s his destiny on the radio)

I was surprised to enjoy almost all of Cinema Speculations and not surprised to find Once Upon a Time in Hollywood intolerable after two chapters

I agree he is often a poor writer--particularly when he's trying extra hard to play Quentin Tarantino--but Cinema Speculations is very readable because just as often he has interesting things to say.

"dirty harry isnt well made, the director doesn't know what he's doing" is a shockingly terrible take and if it's not a knowing attempt at challops should really see repercussions like you shouldnt maybe be allowed watch things and state things afterwards about them

His worst take is that he doesn't rate Hitchcock but likes movies that are Hitchcockian

tbc im not talking about a tarantino take there

As someone who liked this film a lot the idea that we need to be filled in on Rick dalton lore feels depressingly wrongheaded

the kayfabe on the first episode is so good that it feels like the entire series was a long game just to get them practised up to do this

i listened to a bit of it (as i check in on the podcast here and there) and couldn't hang at all. whole enterprise is corny.

I haven't listened to it yet, but I think it's exactly the nerdy deep dive I'm excited to hear (then again, I was also the kid dreaming up entire fake label discographies and band histories).

As a creative exercise, it seems likely to be a warm-up for the next movie more than QT thinking it was time to respond to incessant public clamour for the Rick Dalton Chronicles

I’m glad Rick Dalton died. That one movie was more than enough.

It appears that Leslie Van Houten may finally be paroled. She's 73 years old.

“closer” insofar far as being *recommended* for parole…but it’ll prob go to supreme court & long court battles blahdy blah so she is still a long way from being irl paroled

Watched Hollywood again the other day for something I was doing--fourth time? I won't change or even bother checking anything I posted above, but I do find Tarantino's deep attachment to pre-Manson Hollywood oddly moving. I say oddly because I have no attachment to that specific moment (Matt Helm movies, TV westerns, etc.) whatsoever--to the time period, yes, but not to that corner of it. But the film does move me, even the wildly self-indulgent conceit of the ending--loved how Sebring and Tate are improbable Rick Dalton fans at the end.

“Hey, are *you* Rick Dalton?”

And DiCaprio plays the scene beautifully. I've been knocking him a lot recently for his Scorsese work, but I think he's really good in this.

Fully agree, his acting is amazing throughout the film, and that final shot is one of the most haunting and beautiful things Tarantino has done.

I really do think the what-if scenario, which purports to be some kind of shallow wish fulfillment, is actually a way to really underscore the absolute abhorrence of the real life tragedy, and the magnitude of the loss.

I kind of felt the same way about the righteous fury at the end of inglourious basterds, though i think OUATIH is definitely the better film as far as really making it something above and beyond.

The only thing I'd still change is that Manson himself gets the flamethrower instead of whichever of the two women got it. I forget what the rationales for that were earlier in the thread, but I still don't get that at all.

it’s definitely one of my favorite movies he’s ever done, maybe because he is coming from a more sentimental place & it resonates w me

robbie is such a superstar in it. i dont think it works if shes not as incredible in it as she is.

i dont think theres another character or performance of that type across his entire catalogue.

yeah she’s so vibrant and joyful, definitely key to the movie & the emotional power of the ending

She does such a beautiful job of making Tate a real person, even if its only an approximation - her performance is a lovely tribute to her memory