Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

It occurred to me after watching this that in Civil War (and in the beginning of this movie), Tony Stark refers to Peter Parker as "Underoos," which makes me wonder what was on Underoos in the MCU timeline of the 70s. (The original line of Underoos, from 1977, was Superman, Batman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Spider-Man, and Captain America.)

(I know, I know, it was Silk Spectre, the Comedian, Dollar Bill, Hooded Justice, etc.)

the '70s incarnation of the Teen Titans operated out of Long Island

http://www.titanstower.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/GabrielsHorn_tt47p5.jpg

I think the 70s Defenders did too, wasn't that where Nighthawk's house was?

looking west to los angeles, it is still insane to me that they have not attempted a runaways movie, but looking at wikipedia apparently it's currently being made into a TV pilot, after a film version got lost in development hell around the time they decided to ramp up to the first Avengers movie.

AFAIK, it's past the pilot stage and was picked up by Hulu for a full series.

Hello.

My favorite scene in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING shares something w/ my favorite scene in STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME. https://t.co/U7Rs9cR1Pj

— Jordan Hoffman (@jhoffman) July 12, 2017

nice.

This movie is just a regular Easter basket.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/apparently-people-are-worshipping-the-norse-gods-again-1796887458

i loved that Kenneth Choi's Principal Morita = the same Jim Morita who was part of Cap's Howling Commandos in the first Captain America movie, hence the telegraphed war photo in his office etc

oh right! i noticed the war photo.

I didn't even think about that, since I've most recently seen him as Lewis in "Last Man on Earth."

I haven't seen the film but surely the principal would be at best his son? Assuming Marvel's World War Two still happened 70+ years ago, I mean.

ok fine his grandson then

KAREN

this was great

was thinking again today that this was probably the highest billing academic decathlon, possibly the nerdiest student competition outside of the science bowl, has ever had

lots of good times participating back in my high school days

Such a blast, incredibly slick and entertaining but also very human and relatable. Kudos for only having one large thing fall out of the sky during the climax. Shoe-in for best Spider-Man film, a contendor for best Marvel film - when done right, Spidey remains their most compelling character.

He's the only one I actually feel scared for during his adventures.

Mr Veg found it disappointing but I think he just found the teen-ness annoying more than anything

This was my GF's complaint too - she said she felt like she'd been babysitting for two hours.

it wasn't THAT pronounced, it's not like there was a scene where May walked in on Peter masturbating

well the final scene (which was the best part of the movie) basically was that

haha that scene was great

the man in the chair! with the headset!

Haha i totally forgot that bit

They were doing so well until Ned got busted for using the computer lab during the homecoming dance. I loved his flailing at trying to come up with what he was doing. "Umm... I'm looking at porn!"

This was great

I'm a touch confused about Spiderman being invincible but that's on me, I'm not up to speed on my superhero characteristics

And the fight on the plane was essentially just noises. Couldn't see a thing. Which tbf is probably what a fight on an invisible plane at night would be like.

But otherwise, pretty flawless.

spidey's pretty resilient in the comics - i guess spider-strength makes you spider-tough too

i only got around to seeing this a couple of days ago but yeah i thought it was great, definitely in the top tier of marvel movies. michael keaton was really, really good (that scene in the car on the way to the dance was fantastic) and the supporting cast were perfect. kinda sucks that they eseentially stole miles morales' best friend and gave him to peter but jacob batalon was so charming it's hard to hold it against the film

They left an avenue to back-door Miles into the story; Donald Glover's character is his uncle in the comic books and he made a passing reference to Miles during the confrontation in the parking garage.

yeah, i picked that up - just faintly annoyed that one of miles' strongest supporting characters essentially got transplanted into peter's story when peter already has a really strong supporting cast to pick and choose from

Is the thread spoiler friendly yet

Because genuinely now, that was a cracking moment

If it isn't, I expect a bunch of people to yell at me.

it's been out for the better part of a month, i think anyone straying into this thread who hasn't seen it yet only has themselves to blame if they get spider-spoilered

Let's roll so

That was brilliantly done. To contrast with baby driver, it was serious restraint from director not to even wink at that throughout

To keep the stunned/oh shit tone up to such effect throughout the car journey etc was just cherry on top stuff

yeah, it was a really clever and effective twist cuz it relies on revealing something that isn't part of the comics, so even spidey die-hards like me are wrongfooted

it's also a million times more suspenseful than a physical confrontation could ever be

The Holland/Keaton confrontations were, IMO, some of the best hero/villain interactions I've seen to date in these movies, if not the best. It helps that Vulture as a villain has motives on a scale that you can actually recognize and, to a degree, empathize with; seeing someone turn to crime because the heroes screwed them out of an honest living and seeing their dedication to it as the means for which they provide for their family is a chain of logic that it's a lot easier to see bits of yourself in than "I want to take over the world/galaxy".

The other thing I really liked was that they remembered that all of these kids were at a high school for nerds, so all of them were going to display some predisposition towards nerddom, including archetypal popular girl Liz and popular bully Flash.

the nerd school is another thing they swiped from miles!

but yeah, the friendly neighbourhood supervillain stuff was great, and it made me realise how the mcu had previously cut itself off from that kind of stuff by having their superheroes' identities largely be known to the public, or their villains so cosmic that there's no opportunity for them to be caught off-duty.

i actually wish there was a little bit more of keaton as a regular blue-collar thief with access to alien weapons before he kills a henchman and really leans into his heel turn, because he does actually have a pretty good point about being denied even the table scraps from a new world full of gods and monsters. i was really pleased that he didn't end up dead, though - i'd love to see him again

His nonplussed "... I thought this was the antigrav gun" was outstanding.

I was really, really surprised at how surprising the surprise was, because on paper it's sort of ... hacky? But so audaciously so I totally didn't see it coming. And didn't have even the slightest problem with it. Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

xpost That is essential as well. Was talking with a friend about that scene and that reaction. Keaton makes a point of not being a killer, of being more honorable, mostly out for money, not power. But that scene shows how far he's gone. Similarly at the end there is that ambiguity. Does he not give up Peter because he is honorable, or because he wants to kill him himself?

i dunno if the role was written for keaton specifically but it might has well have been since it plays into his strengths so much: charming, charismatic, but with a volatile streak that can be pretty frightening when it boils up unexpectedly. seeing that anger flash a couple of times beforehand made the coolness of the car scene that much more worrying

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

yeah! his blindness to the similarities between himself and tony stark is a neat little character wrinkle

Also worth a moment to ponder if he's not a comment on "look, we'd all be batman if we were billionaires, I don't have that luxury"

XP and batman, birdman, definitely elements of joker jack in there too imo

the part of batman i was reminded of most was bruce wayne's 'you wanna get nuts? let's get nuts' line to the joker, which is so seemingly out of character for keaton's kinda nerdy, quiet wayne that it actually scared me a little when i first saw it as a kid

If I had any criticism of Keaton NB I don't and never will it's that he brings that almost zany nuts underside to just about every role I've seen him in NB again that is fine by me the world needs this

Shit I mean I bring that element to my team one on ones tbf

beetlejuice is never too far from the surface, tru

idgaf tho, i like beetlejuice

i also love the way his face has aged, it's just a real pleasure to watch him move that wrinkly mug

He has the radial, far-reaching wrinkles centred on the eye that befits a fella that has spent his professional life squinting crazily at people

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

I took it that at the beginning, in his discussion with Damage Control, it was true that he was a blue collar guy (see comparisons with Archie's dad in the recent Riverdale series struggling to hold a construction crew together for a big job because he can't just bankroll them) and he mentions more than once how he's "over-extended" to fund the job - I guess that means he's a homeowner and has remortgaged to fund it? But since becoming a criminal he's gone for the big house etc and has stayed in crime because he likes the wealth.