Philip Roth - Where to begin?

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Isn't the Bech series Updike? xp

Treeship, Monday, 10 July 2017 20:08 (two years ago) link

read Portnoy's, Pastoral, and Everyman. while i admired elements of each, ultimately not a fan. there's this overbearing woe-is-me-ism that i just do not connect with at all.

― circa1916, Monday, July 10, 2017

I always direct newcomers to The Ghost Writer, a lovely odd sliver of a book. The first few Zuckerman books are wonders. There is no woe-is-me in these books.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 July 2017 20:18 (two years ago) link

Millennial's sure hate Updike

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:37 (two years ago) link

Shit, yes Bech is Updike of course.

Started Goodbye Columbus tonight

calstars, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:09 (two years ago) link

i forget if i mentioned it somewhere but i read roth unbound a few months back and it was reallly good, roth is fascinating

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:16 (two years ago) link

treesh, is it women or men who unjustly revile him?

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:21 (two years ago) link

Mostly women but some men. The perception is that he is self-obsessed and a misogynist. It's bad enough that I felt too self-conscious to buy a copy of the Human Stain today at my place of work (a bookstore).

Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:25 (two years ago) link

Nb still going to buy it tomorrow

Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:30 (two years ago) link

I love him and think he writes with compassion, humor and insight about Americans of the past few generations. I am deeply hostile to the idea that novels should embody some particular ideology.

Treeship, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:32 (two years ago) link

Read The Ghost Writer!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:34 (two years ago) link

^^ha I just read The Ghost Writer & Zuckerman Unbound and enjoyed as much as the later, weightier Zuckermans. novella length & abrupt endings worked in their favor.

busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 03:07 (two years ago) link

i haven't read it, but in the wiki to leaving a dolls house he does come off horribly tbh...lots of ppl cant separate the work from the man or his image obv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaving_a_Doll%27s_House:_A_Memoir

Subsequently, Roth sent Bloom a "fusillade" of faxes one evening demanding return of everything he had provided during their years together including $150 per hour for the "five or six hundred hours" he had spent going over scripts with her[3] and levying a fine of $62 billion for Bloom's failure to honour the pre-nuptial agreement.[5] Bloom also writes of Roth demanding the return of jewelry given as gifts during their relationship, however his priority seemed to be money. "Just send a cheque" he wrote. Roth concluded by offering to give Bloom the $104 per week that had been paid to the maid in New York, which he claimed was Bloom's "sole contribution to living costs that averaged between $80,000 and $100,000 per year."

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 11:44 (two years ago) link

I feel like I'm a bad Jew but I've only read The Dying Animal. It seemed like parody of what to expect from a Roth novel: obnoxious but horny old man scores with beautiful-but-unknowable girl, misery ensues. I enjoyed it, but it was ridiculous.

I hear good things about "Married A Communist", anyone tried it?

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:20 (two years ago) link

I hear good things about "Married A Communist", anyone tried it?

I like those late '90s novels to varying degrees, but they were a new peak.

i haven't read it, but in the wiki to leaving a dolls house he does come off horribly tbh...lots of ppl cant separate the work from the man or his image obv

Considering that "Philip Roth" often met Nathan Zuckerman in his novels and was interviewed by Zuckerman for a memoir called The Facts I guess I don't blame him.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 16:45 (two years ago) link

Zuckerman Unbound especially seemed uh nakedly autobiographical

I Married A Commie was one of that peak period's best imo, the red scare viewed through relationship of two brothers

busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:00 (two years ago) link

'communist' is one of the handful ive not read, its also sposed to have considerable autobiographical stuff & shots @ bloom

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 17:22 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Read The Ghost Writer on recommendation of this thread, loved it - thanks.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:17 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

cool, David Simon is making a plot against America miniseries.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:14 (one year ago) link

plot against America is the least of his works id like to see adapted

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:59 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

cross him off the annual nobel shortlist

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:36 (one year ago) link

PAA mini could be great if someone wrote a real ending

Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:39 (one year ago) link

rip

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:47 (one year ago) link


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