brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

lmao @ mood of elegaic mandarin despair emanating from these fuck at the moment tbh

It suddenly becomes apparent that there are people who have not actually read this thread:

At 10:35 on an early summer's morning, John Lanchester sat down at his study desk, switched on his new Dell computer, opened up the word processing programme that the computer had come with and began

Ah I see! Some people's idea of shockingly bad "state of the nation" type novels are other's idea of research!

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n14/william-davies/reasons-for-corbyn

Meanwhile this is good:

Reacting to the breakdown of the vote on 8 June, business leaders and conservative commentators have expressed their disquiet at the fact that young people are so enthusiastic about an apparently retrograde left-wing programme. ‘Memo to anyone under 45,’ Digby Jones, the former director general of the CBI, tweeted: ‘You can’t remember last time socialists got control of the cookie jar: everything nationalised & nothing worked.’ To which the rebuke might be made: and you don’t remember how good things were compared to today. Speak to my undergraduate students (many of them born during Blair’s first term) about the 1970s and early 1980s, and you’ll see the wistful look on their faces as they imagine a society in which artists, writers and recent graduates could live independently in Central London, unharassed by student loan companies, workfare contractors or debt collectors. This may be a partial historical view, but it responds to what younger generations are currently cheated of: the opportunity to grow into adulthood without having their entire future mapped out as a financial strategy. A leader who can build a bridge to that past offers the hope of a different future.

Theresa May will move to bolster her precarious position in Downing Street with an unprecedented invitation to Labour to help her create policies for a post-Brexit Britain as she attempts to quell a Tory plot to replace her.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/09/may-to-invite-labour-to-help-create-policies-amid-tory-plot-to-oust-her

Apart from anything else, I'm not sure 'quell' is what this idea's going to do for a party that was salivating over the prospect of a 100-seat majority just over a month ago.

This'll apparently appear in a speech tomorrow echoing her commitment to fairness and equality as set out in her first speech as PM a year ago, and nowhere else since. There's always been a hard-left element to our policies.

I wouldn't put it past her/Tories to have her stand down on the 13th or 14th - PMs have to serve for a year before they qualify for the biggest state-sector pension of them all.

need to clamp down on these benefits scroungers exploiting loopholes in the system for an easy life :P

I'm loving May's desperation, but I think the only cross party cooperation that should be going on is with Tories that are pissed off enough to back a vote of no confidence in her.

Allegedly there are some according to Sunday Politics guest yesterday.

Does she honestly believe Labour is up for this? Or is it to be all "well I was reasonable with these extremists, see what they are"?

"i can't get the lid off this jar, you have a go"

No she doesn't, but the Mail will spin it that way; 'Mrs May's bold gamble to save Brexit sabotaged by Labour'.

LOL. Corbyn: "Have you tried running under the hot tap first?"

Oh FFS, this is why recent Classic Tory QT Archetypes keep popping up whenever a vox is required, talking about some kind of cross-party approach to Brexit. THESE ARE FAUX CENTRISTS and they can fucking well wear this disaster themselves.

BTW I think the Grebt Repeal Bill contents are revealed this week - good time for Corbyn to pipe up about staying in the ECJ and Europol with a reminder that maintaining settled human rights protections was at the heart of his Remain vote.

I can't think of anything less likely to endear her to her own party or deter a leadership challenge. Maybe she was just waiting to hit the one year mark and this is ritual suicide.

It would be so ironic if the manner of TM ending her career was basically a calculated manoeuvre to bludge extra benefits.

Most scrounger rhetoric is projection, so....

What the actual fuck?

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_59638608e4b02e9bdb0e2c77

Sack her and sack her now

:/

It's nasty, racist & old-fashioned, but an expression people have used historically, a hangup of a generation past.

— Rupert Myers (@RupertMyers) July 10, 2017

Ah, is Rupert Myers the chap behind race-mixing comedy 'Corbyn: the Musical'?

UGGGGH

the minute i read this i was waiting for someone to defend it on that basis, like "it's just a saying" etc, however the truth is that the only people who'd say "n-word in the woodpile" are racist and retrograde tories who refuse to stop using the n-word. in this respect it's prob even worse than many other contexts in which a white person might say the n-word - it has a clear association with stubborn prejudice.

somebody else said this recently enough, right? i feel like it's not been that long.

have to admit i've never encountered that revolting phrase before, which morrissey album is it from?

Was it Germaine Greer? Xp

Myers was furious about Ken Livingstone and demanding his expulsion because otherwise it would be proof that the Labour Party didn't really care about antisemitism. I think Livingstone should have been expelled as well but this ham-faced prick's argument here basically boils down to "she's on our side so it doesn't really matter that much".

yep i think it prob was greer. i googled it and it seems there's a long history of tories saying it.

Yeah this exposes quite a lot of what goes through their heads

i remember one of my old bosses, a (doubtless tory) solicitor in edinburgh, using the expression on the phone - while talking to a client of asian descent. i was completely 0_0

did i say something? i think i didn't. :(

whip withdrawn

Tories doing a great job of appealing to the younger generation, reaching out beyond their usual constituency of hideous red-faced splenetic Yorkshiremen.

I'd imagine the consensus among most of the party will be "keep that kind of speak behind closed doors", rather than revulsion at the individual's (and her husband with previous form himself) appalling mindset.

She told the BBC: "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused."

This shit is never, ever going away again is it? 'We've accepted this to be an apology, when it isn't, not matter how you look at it.

"...for the offence i caused". there, it's not hard to say.

GIdeon's editorial in the standard today was a somewhat entertaining plea to David Davis to knife May this week - along the lines of 'I hate you, but I hate theresa more'

am I right in thinking that this did use to be a fairly commonly used phrase? the only time I've ever heard it used irl was by a guy who was around 90, who immediately corrected himself. (Morris is only 60 which seems like it would make it difficult to employ any "they're from a different era" type defense)

it was a common phrase in Britain

there was an old guy who accidentally said it on jeremy vine about 7 or 8 years ago. was an incredibly awkward bit of radio.

2007, Bedfordshire County counciller Rhys Goodwin, stepped down as chairman of the environment and economic development committee: "...During a debate on heavy goods vehicle traffic in the county, he wanted to argue that a particular problem in Bedfordshire is the amount of trucks on the roads connected with quarrying. But he used the unfortunate figure of speech before sheepishly rephrasing his point.'[8]
Goodwin, who was 74 at the time, said: "There was no racist intent at all. For 50 years of my life that was common parlance, with no more a derogatory connotation than the symbol on a jar of marmalade."[9]

2008, Lord Dixon Smith, Conservative frontbencher, used the phrase in a debate on the Housing and Regeneration Bill: "Of course, the nigger in the woodpile, as the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, has already pointed out, is that it still incorporates what I call the hangover of the new towns legislation." He immediately apologised to the House. His Lordship, also in his seventies, later commented to journalists that the phrase had been "in common parlance when I was younger".[10]

2009, Dick Denby, of Dick Denby Transport uttered this phrase on the BBC Radio 2 Jeremy Vine show (Tuesday, 1 December) during a discussion on the merits of 83 foot long HGV's. To his credit he did say that perhaps he should not have used said phrase. Jeremy Vine agreed he should not have used it and later apologised to Radio 2 listeners who might have been offended.

they will get a frisson of pleasure from using it, as if it was some minor act of rebellion against progressive forces. she knew what she was doing. it’s hard to imagine even the most numb-witted throwback not caveating it with a “i know it’s not a word we’re supposed to use nowadays” sort of gesture. it’ll be in that context that she used it.

it was a common phrase in Britain

I've never heard anyone say it. I've heard people say a lot worse mind you.

I am, after all, from the town that used to produce the aforementioned marmalade with the symbol on it.

had a school pal whose parents (in their late 60s/early 70s in the late 90s/early 2000s) had a collection of robertson's memorobilia. :|

Fizzles otm. The way she says it so fast makes it clear that it was totally predetermined... I'll say that really fast and no one will be sure if they heard right.

I've never heard anyone say it. I've heard people say a lot worse mind you.

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Monday, 10 July 2017 19:18 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^

Mind you I did learn the original version of eenie meenie as a child

So, I'm living a block away from the Charlie Gard media circus, which is a heady cocktail of evangelicals from America circling like vultures, tons of rubberneckers/vigil people, and (late last week) Nigel Farage doing vox pops not an hour after I'd bagged my friend's dog's poo on the same spot. That's gotta be a missed opportunity (FARAGE: 'WHO FLUNG DUNG?')

a missed plopportunity there, suzy. Espesh if he was wearing the union jack loafers!

do you think that Brendan O'Neill ever gets bored writing the same article over and over again?

http://i.imgur.com/jAoIiwf.png

scary that a Tory MP should be suspended for being a racist

funny how the tories are all in favour of bleating endlessly about the vital importance of personal responsibility but seem oddly reticent to accept responsibility when they shit the bed