What's the best Genesis album?

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as much as I enjoy the post-Gabriel era(s), the creepy nastiness which peaked on the Lamb all but disappeared

PaulTMA, Sunday, 9 July 2017 01:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Ravine gives Peter time to change out of the Slipperman costume I guess.

jmm, Sunday, 9 July 2017 02:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The menace made it onto Gabriel's first few solo albums. Moribund the Burgermeister is pretty Lamb-like, and there's scary shit on Melt and Security — especially in the German, which gives something like Not One of Us a vaguely fascist undertone. It was all gone, though, by So, and I don't think he's ever recaptured it. Most of Up is just kind of lamely overwrought.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 9 July 2017 03:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Will have to give the german versions a listen but had never previously felt the need to. Always found the first two solo albums a bit lacking

PaulTMA, Sunday, 9 July 2017 11:19 (one year ago) Permalink

"This is the Picture" (and "We Do What We're Told" - originally intended for PG3?) is sort of menacing, "Mercy Street" is definitely spooky.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 July 2017 12:43 (one year ago) Permalink

On "Selling" and "Lamb" in particular, even "Trick" and "Wind," I find it remarkable how well Phil's drums in particular are recorded. They just sound great.

The drums on A Trick of the Tail sound incredible - in fact of all the Genesis records, that's my favourite sounding of them all - particularly the remaster. Duke comes very close, though.

I don't really like the way The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway sounds... it's a bit muffled and monochromatic, I think.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 16:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Trying to give And Then There Were Three a serious shot, but I can't really get into the songwriting on that album. Follow You Follow Me has a simplicity and freshness.

jmm, Sunday, 9 July 2017 17:13 (one year ago) Permalink

invisible touch is the best genesis album. not a single bad song on it.

― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, July 8, 2017 1:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree that there's not a single bad song on it!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 19:46 (one year ago) Permalink

Some dude's "bald Thriller" comment re: Invisible Touch couldn't have been more otm, imo!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 20:00 (one year ago) Permalink

The title track, 'Land of Confusion', 'Domino' and 'Throwing It All Away' ... superb.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 20:02 (one year ago) Permalink

When it comes to a sense of menace Genesis stuff, no moment on Lamb compares to the first time I saw the video to 'Mama' ...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 9 July 2017 23:33 (one year ago) Permalink

"back in nyc" is menacing af

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 9 July 2017 23:37 (one year ago) Permalink

Give the dude credit, he had good taste in covers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubYDPqi6ht4

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 July 2017 03:35 (one year ago) Permalink

I always forget how much I enjoy the glassy monumentalism of Duke and (to a lesser extent) And Then There Were Three.

With 'Duke' in particular it might in part be that it reminds me (in a reverse-influence sense) of Marillion's 'Clutching At Straws'.

But tonight it occurred to me that ATTWT's 'Down And Out' reminds me of my beloved first Shy Child album!

Tim F, Monday, 10 July 2017 13:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Most of my listening this week has been Genesis albums. I've known the Gabriel era albums for years but A Trick Of The Tail is the only Collins one I've checked out before now. I'm surprised how much I've enjoyed these albums. Abacab and the self titled are the two that are standing out. Abacab is good all the way through apart from that obnoxious synth at the end of Dodo/Lurker. As others have said, the self titled is badly let down by Illegal Alien. It's actually quite a good tune but obviously so misguided in every other way. I think I'd still pick that album up if I saw it cheap as the rest of it is so good. It would just be like Iggy Pop's New Values where I pretend African Man doesn't exist. Interested to hear And Then There Were Three and Wind & Wuthering next. It's been really interesting following this thread as I get to know the albums.

kitchen person, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Abacab is a patchy follow-up to Duke, IMO. I like the title track a lot, even though it probably doesn't deserve to be that long - and 'No Reply At All' would benefit by having the obnoxious horns removed from it. I generally love horn sections, but not on Genesis and Phil Collins records where they generally sound tacky. 'Who Dunnit?' is crap, and the epics aren't particularly memorable.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 19:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I love how Abacab sounds like Genesis running into Simple Minds and The Teardrop Explodes in a crowded thoroughfare.

Tim F, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:20 (one year ago) Permalink

(Specifically referencing those bands' contemporaneous material there)

Tim F, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Abacab is a patchy follow-up to Duke, IMO

it's not

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

and 'No Reply At All' would benefit by having the obnoxious horns removed from it

god the next sentence was even worse

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

imo the fenix horns pretty much never sound tacky, they act as sharp punctuation wherever they're employed?

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I love how Abacab sounds like Genesis running into Simple Minds and The Teardrop Explodes in a crowded thoroughfare.

― Tim F, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:20 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is indeed what it sounds like, but the end result isn't as great as that description sounds because the material isn't quite there, whereas on Duke not only did they manage to incorporate elements of New Wave into their sound successfully, but they managed to balance it with their progressive tendencies and they managed to write a set of wall-to-wall very good to great material, powerfully played and impeccably produced.

It has its highlights, but it's definitely a weaker Genesis record.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:35 (one year ago) Permalink

Relistened to "Invisible Touch" today after reading all the reappraisals on the IT thread and...yikes. Outside of "Tonight..." I can'tt get with its über-mid-80s digi-production at all. I remembered that's when I had stopped caring.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:39 (one year ago) Permalink

The "uber-mid '80s digi-production" is part of the reason I like the album so much - another reason is that there's not a dud track on it!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 21:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Now that the connection has occurred to me I am very curious to know what a Brab thinks of Sons and Fascination.

Tim F, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:07 (one year ago) Permalink

sympathetic to capitaine jay vee's experience of invisible touch; the other day i was listening to it and was kinda annoyed at the digital space in which the songs unfold bc it made the more atmospheric sections of songs sound thin and distant. weirdly this was most pronounced during "tonight..." could've just been my mood at the time as obv i love ultra-synthetic production, unreal crystalline approximations of "real" instruments revolving coldly in an artificial environment 4ever, that's the stuff

i have never heard a simple minds record tim

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:15 (one year ago) Permalink

xpost:

A connection between Genesis and Simple Minds occurred to me before, but weirdly the other way around - the bassline to 'In Trance As Mission' has always reminded me of the riff of the 'Apocalypse' section of 'Supper's Ready' ... I wonder if the early Minds were Gabriel-era Genesis fans?

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:16 (one year ago) Permalink

but that'll change soon! xp

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:16 (one year ago) Permalink

OMG Brad it must!

Given SM got Steve Hillage to produce S&F I wouldn't be surprised if they were British prog fans more generally.

Tim F, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:22 (one year ago) Permalink

I look forward to Brad being the only person on ILM to like 'Belfast Child' ...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 22:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I am a huge fan of slick '80s production in many cases ("Cupid & Psyche 85", Brian Ferry's solo stuff of the decade, anything ZTT/ Trevor Horn, etc). but I'm with ToddBonzalez re: the airless digital space the songs exist in here. Plus there's a pronounced nasal shrillness to Phil's voice on this album that grates.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:15 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't really notice any big difference in Phil's voice on this album, except that he was a far more accomplished singer by that point and had better control over his voice!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:20 (one year ago) Permalink

The endless plain of digispace + Collins' decision to shout = an often grating experience. It ruins "Tonight, Tonight Tonight" and "Anything She Does" for me.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:46 (one year ago) Permalink

lol "plane"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:46 (one year ago) Permalink

'Tonight, Tonight, Tonight' is perfect, IMO. Can't fault Collins' passionate vocal performance on that at all.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 23:54 (one year ago) Permalink

"the endless plane of digispace" is my favorite john cale song

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:19 (one year ago) Permalink

that's what I had in mind

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Tonight x 3's rain of pain falls on an endless plain

Tim F, Thursday, 13 July 2017 00:42 (one year ago) Permalink

I recall being profoundly disappointed with abacab upon its release and I still tend to value the post-Duke material much less than what came earlier. But wow, I wasn't aware of the resistance they faced on their 1981 tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8d3-CKPupM

doug watson, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:01 (one year ago) Permalink

I wonder if the early Minds were Gabriel-era Genesis fans

they were never shy about it either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n760wQHFVOo&t=2m14s
2m14s

PaulTMA, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:16 (one year ago) Permalink

that may have not worked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n760wQHFVOo

PaulTMA, Thursday, 13 July 2017 15:17 (one year ago) Permalink

is there a reason why The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is not on Spotify but everything else is?

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 July 2017 16:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's a bit strange how Genesis fans reacted badly to the band trying different things, whereas Rush had no problem bringing their audience with them. But then from '81-'85 Rush were putting out far better material.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:57 (one year ago) Permalink

whereas Rush had no problem bringing their audience with them

idk, it's been a while since i watched the rush doc but this is not my impression of how it went down

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:05 (one year ago) Permalink

They might have lost a few fans who disliked their move from hard rock to progressive rock, or disliked the shorter songs and New Wave elements or disliked stuff like Hold Your Fire, but generally Rush were always perceived as a band that, no matter what they did, they did it with their integrity fully intact and cultivated a very dedicated fanbase who would follow them no matter what.

With Genesis, the audience is far more divided.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Genesis lost their original lead singer/songwriter and lead guitarist. Those are pretty drastic changes.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:21 (one year ago) Permalink

If anything, I feel like there is more continuity between Gabriel-era Genesis and the early solo Gabriel albums than between the Gabriel era and the Collins era. Rush always sounded like Lee, Lifeson, and Peart.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:23 (one year ago) Permalink

I've tried so hard to love let alone like Simple Minds beyond "New Gold Dream" and "Glittering Prize." Jim Kerr is the wrong kind of pompous, with colleagues to match.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:31 (one year ago) Permalink

Peter Gabriel was never the "lead" songwriter or driving force at any point... this is one of the reasons why he left! The only LP where all the lyrics are his is on Lamb ... before that, he would mostly sing what he was given by Mike and Tony, and it was similar for Collins on the post-Gabriel albums. Even later on when Phil started writing more it was a couple of tracks at best.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 13 July 2017 18:32 (one year ago) Permalink


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