Something like 'Anything She Does' strikes me as being the sort of thing which would be misattributed to Collins, though as far as I'm aware it is primarily the work of Tony Banks
I imagine it's a much-loathed song by a certain type of Genesis fan, but to me it absolutely blows away the breezy pop in a similar mould on 'No Jacket Required', i.e. 'Don't Lose My Number'
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
Also in the rarefied company of Van Halen's I'll Wait and J. Geils Band Centerfold of songs about a guy in love with a magazine centerfold model.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
he shouts a lot
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
"Man on the Corner" is a Collins solos song for all intents and purposes. Even the synthesizer style is closer to what Collins would play..
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
'Anything She Does' rules and I agree, it's much better than songs that are in the same mould on No Jacket Required.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
It's not better than Who Said I Would or I Don't Wanna Know.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
wish he could have recorded this own version of thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVu5Xp9w5k
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
'I Don't Want To Know' has that neat trick of going into 6/4 for the chorus, which isn't quite as strong as the one on 'Anything She Does' ... 'Who Said I Would' is a bit nothingy.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
"I Don't Wanna Know" has that oddly syncopated solo after the second chorus. It's a monster of a percussion track.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
speaking of Collins the drummer, I'm not a huge fan of Brand X (I like the first album ok) they are a little fuzak for my taste but damn the stuff he plays in that band makes his Genesis drumming seem like the Ramones
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
I think my favourite drumming on a Genesis track is on 'Dance on a Volcano', simultaneously ferocious and technical... it's a great bit of drumming. I always preferred it when '70s Genesis went for it rather than do these extended folky things.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
Good song!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
Huh, I always thought of Brand X as full on Weather Report-esque fusion, not fuzak. Him and Percy Jones make for a great rhythm section (which is why they sound so good backing Eno on those handful of tracks).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 July 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 7 July 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
wau stompage
― gin and chronic (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 July 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
I'm now on a full-on Genesis kick for the first time in a very long time - both Gabriel and Collins era...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
His drumming on the live Lamb discs from that weird overdubbed box set is smoking. Gives credence to his claim of being high behind the kit for much of that tour.
― dinnerboat, Friday, 7 July 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
Pot and booze, maybe, but Rutherford was the coke dude. Collins was just obsessed with playing and practicing all the time.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
I did wonder, when watching their Wembley 86/87 (?) show for work a few years ago, just how coked up phil seemed for the R'n'B medley at the end (which I bet Tony moaned the fuck about all through the tour)
― Shanty Brunch (stevie), Friday, 7 July 2017 09:13 (six years ago) link
Wait.
Coke.
These three? Collins said recently that Banks would fall over if he just smelled wine.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 10:40 (six years ago) link
Finding it kinda hard to picture Mike Rutherford on coke
― PaulTMA, Friday, 7 July 2017 11:18 (six years ago) link
lol
Fantastic Genesis doc on BBC4. Tony Banks - possibly the worst man in rock ever. Makes Mike Rutherford look like Mark E Smith.— luke haines❌ (@LukeHaines_News) May 6, 2017
― PaulTMA, Friday, 7 July 2017 11:19 (six years ago) link
Tony is dreadful tbf. Possesses complete inability to mute his hair-up-my-ass shrillness and difficultness even in the presence of video cameras
― Shanty Brunch (stevie), Friday, 7 July 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
― PaulTMA, Friday, July 7, 2017 7
he could've used some tbh
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 11:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQr9GDK0cs
Anyway:
Did the drugs ever become a problem? Rutherford points to his nose. “I had to have my septum operated on in the late 70s,” he says, matter-of-factly. “Yuh, you know, that bit in the middle of your nostrils.”Apparently several years of cocaine use had taken its toll on the membranes. “This was pre-social, though, pre-social,” he insists. “Cocaine was simply taken as a way to keep you going on the road. Never by Tony or Pete, though.”
Apparently several years of cocaine use had taken its toll on the membranes. “This was pre-social, though, pre-social,” he insists. “Cocaine was simply taken as a way to keep you going on the road. Never by Tony or Pete, though.”
As for Phil, he doesn't skirt away from substance abuse in his book, but it's alcohol that's the real problem, especially (much) later. I think he's just an eager to please theatre kid, which to be fair could be confused for cocaine fiend.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link
If you watch his stage antics and demeanor on the 1980 tour clips up on YT you'd prob think right off "coked up and have n' fun" or, yeah, showoffy theatre kid. Great either way.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:21 (six years ago) link
* havin' fun
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:22 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, July 7, 2017
I actually believe him when he said he barely touched booze + drugs during the '80s and '90s – he was too damn busy! Look at those credits and the pace at which he accumulated them and tremble.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link
Yeah, he never turns down a gig.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 12:32 (six years ago) link
While I have no doubt that Collins had an ego, particularly during the '80s, it is a bit strange that a lot of scorn gets directed at him from various angles - sometimes more than a little unfairly - when Tony Banks is a far easier personality to dislike. I could at least imagine being stood at a bar having a relaxed chat with Collins, whereas Banks would get on my tits within seconds.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:57 (six years ago) link
Also, man these guys loved using pedal tone/changing chords over the top of a sustained bass note... it's pretty much their defining musical characteristic throughout all eras.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link
In that Genesis doc from a couple of years back, Tony is still a total dick. You can see Pete just patiently putting up with him during the interviews.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:06 (six years ago) link
I think a lot of the hate Collins gets/got in the media was in part because he was infinitely more visible than Tony, infinitely more successful, but also a class thing - Phil's the oik trying too hard to impress, Tony's the snidey cunt at boarding school cutting everyone else down to size. Kind of feel a lot of journos, etc, in the 70s/80s would have identified more with Tony than Phil, though this is just conjecture.
He really is just trying so hard during those R'n'B medleys at Wembley though, much as I loved them when I was a kid.
― Shanty Brunch (stevie), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Collins couldn't have been any more visible during the '80s - he was pretty much inescapable and a huge celebrity, and if you remain too visible and too successful for too long, people start to look for ways of tearing that down.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
and he mugged as awfully as McCartney. No wonder they detested each other.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
As for Banks... well Banks, Rutherford and Gabriel are all old Carthusians, able to be put through private education by comfortably well-off families... in the UK, this is an exception rather than the rule. Gabriel and Rutherford come across as being self-aware and seem to understand how lucky and fortunate they are, Rutherford even coming across as someone who wanted to rebel against his background. Banks, on the other hand, comes across as a spoilt and entitled brat who doesn't actually seem to have left school. The way he acts at times, it's like "of course I had a great education and I ended up in a huge-selling band, it was my right."
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
Pretty otm. He also seems like the one to boast that music played better is better.
BTW, there was an intriguing letter in the New Yorker re: the prog essay.
Sanneh’s excellent survey of prog rock overlooked one explanation for why it came to dominate the United States mainstream in the seventies: its first fans were the last children of America’s peak middlebrow culture, whether or not they’d call it that. This was a generation reared on Liberace and regularly exposed to opera and classical performances alongside their pop idols on “The Ed Sullivan Show.” It’s perfectly logical that they would embrace a strain of rock that aspired to cultural and technical sophistication. With the disappearance of classical music from television, so went the ability to understand how anyone could like prog rock. For prog artists with lofty pretensions to high art, “middlebrow” may be the most stinging insult of all.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:37 (six years ago) link
Banks had Gabriel's voice mixed down during the end section of 'The Musical Box' because he felt that Gabriel was "singing over his bit" ...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Friday, 7 July 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAzSglBXYAAygNK.jpg
― frogbs, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link
“This was pre-social, though, pre-social,” he insists.
haha
― jmm, Friday, 7 July 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
Ppl on this thread seem to be ignoring a more obvious explanation as to why UK music press critics didn't like Phil Collins records at the time...
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
why not?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
what is that?
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
Because they were garbage?
― Bernie Lugg (Ward Fowler), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
Nope.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
*scales fall from eyes*
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
The last couple days, both here and in the Trump thread, have been educational.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
I've said this before but Nathan East is the muthaflippin MAN.
Oh and I highly recommend NOT watching the Dan Rather Phil Collins "Big Interview." Not because of Phil Being Phil - that was going to happen nevertheless - but because Rather's questions are vacuous in the extreme.
I am a print-era journalist-type creature; I have never really followed TV news d00dz. But I'd vaguely assumed that because Rather had a career that was tangentially related to journalism, he might have at least picked up some pointers on the way. Like, do some research into your subject beforehand. But no.
Rather, Rather* appears to have been handed a half-dozen index cards by a 23-year-old intern who had glanced through Wikipedia half an hour before. Not only was it evident that he had no exposure to Collins's music apart from "famous guy who sang some Disney themes." Further, Rather appeared to be only vaguely familiar with rock music, let alone the life of a rock musician of global stature.
He lurches from goofy inanities like "Really? Drummers get injuries? I never thought of that." to vague abstract shit like "I think we have enough rapport that I can ask, 'who ARE you,' I mean, as a man and as a person?"
* = see what I did there?
― gin and chronic (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
http://cdn1-www.musicfeeds.com.au/assets/uploads/4b931b052d3460ee7b0aa085c99eb44b.gif
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
There's that great quote from Tony, where supposedly at a Genesis reunion table featuring obscure and famous members, raised his glass and said something like "well, we managed to fire you all!" I think it was Steve Hackett who shared that one.
― PaulTMA, Friday, 7 July 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link