https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKXhSZjMYIk
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 July 2017 06:06 (six years ago) link
(xxpost) Good stuff--that does give a clearer picture. I went back and looked at league batting leaders for 2014-A and 2016-AAA, and he was third in OPS in A, 10th in AAA, so they were indeed pitcher's leagues. I still think the age gap is significant, though.
Obviously the most scientific way to settle this will be the Home Run Derby.
― clemenza, Thursday, 6 July 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
Judge is making me kinda like the Yankees, so clearly the man knows how to do the impossible
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 July 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link
I don't care for age, right now I'm taking Judge. There is no way he ain't regressing; although who knows with Yankee Stadium + juiced ball. He'll remain a monster for a while I'm now certain.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 6 July 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
it's easier to root for judge bc his name isn't cody
― na (NA), Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link
Also, there is a bunch of players under age 23 I'm taking over Bellinger.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
Judge's Ks don't bother me because he's also leading the league in walks and runs scored, and his BABIP doesn't trouble me or give me false hope because he just hits the ball so hard consistently. he really is having a Frank Thomas/Pujols type season (yes w/more Ks but then again Trout struck out 184 times the year he won his first MVP award.)
― nomar, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
I like Bellinger and what he's doing cannot possibly be a mirage but as far as peak goes, i'd be surprised if he ever has a season as good as the one Judge is having now.
― nomar, Thursday, 6 July 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
Bellinger will turn 22 next week;
Is '17 considered his age-21 or age-22 season?
― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Friday, 7 July 2017 01:34 (six years ago) link
21
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 July 2017 01:55 (six years ago) link
Judge is probably ending any chance of Harper going to the Yankees so far that I enjoy him.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 7 July 2017 02:50 (six years ago) link
Fangraphs had a piece on this 10 days ago:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/aaron-judge-or-cody-bellinger/
They don't really come down on either side. Their last sentence is good:
"And that’s the simple fact that may push some to pick the Dodgers’ first baseman: those three years of catchup that Bellinger has on Judge are very valuable. Even if it looks like just a couple ticks of strikeout rate, a few more walks, and maybe a little better work in the field, it will all add up.
Consider this, though: it might all add up...so that Cody Bellinger is about the same as we’re seeing from Aaron Judge, right now."
― clemenza, Friday, 7 July 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
or he might be Puig.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 7 July 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
puig was never this good!
― k3vin k., Friday, 7 July 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
If there are precedents for Judge, I'd be interested in who they are (no sarcasm intended). There must be somebody who came out of nowhere and tore the league up at 25.
― clemenza, Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:30 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
insert albert pujols age joke here
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 July 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
ryan braun another guy who 4-digit OPSed his rookie season though he was 23
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 July 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
insert albert pujols age joke here― ciderpress, Friday, July 7, 2017 11:13 AM (sixteen minutes ago)
― ciderpress, Friday, July 7, 2017 11:13 AM (sixteen minutes ago)
Better age 37 OPS: Albert Pujols or Craig Counsell?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 July 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
pretty decent chance Albert's career WAR drops below 100 this season. also damn it's extremely possible that Counsell will win that battle having hit .226 with 1 HR that season.
― nomar, Friday, 7 July 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
albert should retire immediately and lock in that 100 before he loses it
― ciderpress, Friday, 7 July 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, July 7, 2017 1:44 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Puig's first season: .319/.391/.534, 11 sb and 19 HR, 160 wrc+ over 104 games and average defense. (4.1 war) Bellinger's first season so far: .258/.336/.613 , 5 sb and 24 HR, 142 wrc+ over 67 games and rate poorly as a 1b in defense. (2.1 war)
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 8 July 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
#WIGS
― c (calstars), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:08 (six years ago) link
Can we please add intra-ilx tagging
― c (calstars), Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:09 (six years ago) link
30
― mookieproof, Saturday, 8 July 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
^^oh yeah fair, i thought we were comparing judge to puig
― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 July 2017 02:00 (six years ago) link
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/charbjo01.shtml
― nomar, Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:20 (six years ago) link
roll me over romeo
― mookieproof, Saturday, 8 July 2017 04:23 (six years ago) link
the rookie record is mcgwire with 49 btw O_O
― k3vin k., Saturday, 8 July 2017 06:36 (six years ago) link
lol, judge at home run derby is indeed quite the show.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 01:23 (six years ago) link
absurd
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 11 July 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
sheesh
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:04 (six years ago) link
The 500-footers were amazing but the several pop-ups that just happened to go out were too.
― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link
None of this is shit compared to the warning-track power Livan Hernandez just displayed in the softball game, though.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
― clemenza, Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:30 AM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Paul Goldschmidt probably fits the bill. Judge was a Top 100 prospect though, which Goldschmidt never was.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9218&position=1B
― voodoo chili, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link
Judge vs. Newton:
http://www.si.com/mlb/2017/07/13/yankees-aaron-judge-home-run-derby-roof-nasa
(Goldschmidt's pretty good, although he was dominant every stop of the way in the minors.)
― clemenza, Friday, 14 July 2017 03:34 (six years ago) link
What age did Josh Hamilton make his MLB debut?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 14 July 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link
Unique circumstances, obviously, but Hamilton debuted at 26 (and had his first big season at 27), so there's some relation there.
No one's mentioned him, but to me, the most cautionary parallel might be Ryan Howard. I know Howard's viewed as a joke now, but he came up at 24, got in half a season at 25--both partial seasons were strong--and at 26 he hit 58 HR with a slash line of .313/.425/.659. Even after adjustments (OPS+ = 167), it was a phenomenal year.
I'm not saying Aaron Judge is Ryan Howard, and there are lots of cautionary parallels for Bellinger, too. But that might be the downside (and Howard did get in five good years).
― clemenza, Friday, 14 July 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
Last night, Aaron Judge struck out in his 36th consecutive game, breaking an ignominious single-season record previously held by pitcher Bill Stoneman in 1971. Adam Dunn fanned in 36 consecutive games between the 2011 and 2012 seasons.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 August 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
'unstoppable'
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 20 August 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
we're all told not to reveal how we're voting for AL rookie of the year but I will say when I write my article you can feel free to skip it— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) September 25, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
49, tying mcgwire
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
resumed being unstoppable.
― nomar, Monday, 25 September 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
.301/.438/.863 in Sept
might win him points with the Strong Finish demo
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
as of yesterday both Judge and McGwire had achieved an OPS+ of 164 in their rookie year. not sure how the metrics would bear out but Judge's season looks a bit more impressive right now -- they're very, very similar but AJ has scored 122 runs to McGwire's 97, and walked 119 times to McGwire's 71. I guess there's also the 1987 thing to take into account, but of course 2017 seems like a 1987 type season so idk.
― nomar, Monday, 25 September 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
isn't OPS+ relative to the league/year?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
yeah
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 September 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKl7vNtW4AAI8Iu.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
awesome, hope he goes on to make a billion dollars
― frogbs, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
Heard this morning he's the sixth 50-HR/120-BB guy (arbitrary cut-offs, I know)...Bonds, Ruth, Foxx for sure; my other two guesses would be McGwire and Thome.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:53 (six years ago) link
Wasn't sure about the last spot, but that's it; Thome had a 52-122 season, Sosa 64-116. McGwire was walking more than I'd remembered--162 the year he hit 70.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:57 (six years ago) link
not ted williams?
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link
yes, taking the overall investment portfolio of a financial services company and associating it with one individual at VP level is laughable. 340K seems generous based on my read of his seniority but dude is comfortably into the low 6 figures for sure, as i said he's doing fine but he has a mortgage and a car payment and regular shit
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 02:55 (one year ago) link
i think he's also married to someone who was on the bachelor
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 02:57 (one year ago) link
"She was eliminated in week 1."
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link
okay so what did the tickets in that section go for? kind of a lottery ticket priced in right?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:02 (one year ago) link
incredible season. my mother has an Aaron Judge action figure and practically worships him, and one of my best friends is from East Meadow and is a die hard Yankee, and every time he would hit an HR this year, my mom would tell me, and 5 minutes later, he'd msg me.
one of the more incredible offensive seasons in history.
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link
If Arraez sits tomorrow--and from what I've read, he shouldn't have played tonight but wants to win the batting title playing--Judge would overtake him with a 4-4 game; he's had four 4-5 games this season. If Arraez plays, that'll get easier or harder for Judge. A single hit from Arraez would essentially close it out.
Whatever happened to those gritty players of the past who would win batting titles by going 1-1 on the final day of the season and then pull themselves out of the game?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:30 (one year ago) link
remember when the league dictated how many games Hank Aaron had to play in an upcoming series so the Braves couldn't bench him so he could break the lifetime record at home?
imagine them trying to tell a team they weren't allowed to pull one of the contestants for batting title out early ("Arraez must play at least 8 innings")
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:32 (one year ago) link
Those were the days of Benito Kuhn.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
But a few guys got pulled out of the lineup or sat out entirely when it came to batting titles, either on their own say-so or their managers--Kuhn never seemed to interfere there. To be clear, Arraez's physical ailments are 100% real (and have been lingering for weeks), and he personally seems to be bending over backwards out of respect for Judge.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:45 (one year ago) link
Hmmmn--maybe more of a recent phenomenon than I thought.
Jose Reyes: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/870173-nl-batting-title-jose-reyes-takes-easy-way-out-to-take-the-batting-crown
Justin Morneau: https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/9/28/6860091/justin-morneau-national-league-batting-title-rockies
Terry Pendelton: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1991/10/07/pendleton-sits-out-finale-but-wins-batting-title/
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link
I assume that the idea that Shohei is the MVP, rather than Judge, is a minority opinion, but curious to see whether the minority is 5% or 40%. So who is the best player in the AL? People who respond by arguing that there is a difference between MVP and best player are morons.— Bill James Online (@billjamesonline) October 6, 2022
A minority of almost 60%...Surprised--maybe the MVP will be a lot closer than I thought.
― clemenza, Thursday, 6 October 2022 21:13 (one year ago) link
silliness
― k3vin k., Friday, 7 October 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link
Hey, where were you four days ago when it me vs. Tracer Hand and the world?
― clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
I wasn’t really interested in the AL record discussion, but the question of who should win MVP seems pretty settled to me. I wouldn’t take bill james’s selected twitter following of confused dads to portend much when it comes to actual voting
― k3vin k., Friday, 7 October 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
I meant more the question of whether they were legitimately pitching to Judge during that 20-game stretch, and whether--intentional or not--the strategy was working. Anyway, it's all moot now.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:10 (one year ago) link
The interesting thing about the James tweet to me was just that he started out assuming one result and got the other...I wouldn't characterize James's Twitter following that way; honestly, to me the result suggests the opposite. I think old-fashioned baseball people--and I'll include myself here to a degree--see Judge running away with it; more analytical-leaning fans foresee a close vote.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:15 (one year ago) link
I always find it, sincerely, incredibly confusing when people with analytical backgrounds like Bill James and Elon Musk do a Twitter poll and appear to take the results seriously. With Musk, there’s an explanation - he knows it’s completely unreliable but he is always trolling the world. What is James’ excuse?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link
I mean, I run a Twitter poll every once in a while because it’s funny but it absolutely absurd to take the results seriously. It breaks all 194228 rules of statistical methodology
― Karl Malone, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:17 (one year ago) link
James should never, ever have gone on Twitter. I don't keep up with anyone there, but from what he posts on his own site--where he constantly complains about Twitter--he just seems completely ill-suited. He's always talking about blocking people for rudeness, which I suspect amounts to them disagreeing with him. James is an old-fashioned, voice-of-God writer; I say it, you agree. He didn't start out that way; three decades of deification will do that. Even in the "Ask Bill" section of his own site, there is a sort of deference built into most questions.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:21 (one year ago) link
Yeah I think he’s overstayed his welcome, tbh. I guess if anyone’s earned a right to be crabby and frequently and self-righteously wrong, it’s him
― Karl Malone, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:27 (one year ago) link
nobody's earned that right!
― DPRK in Cincinnati (WmC), Friday, 7 October 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link
“If”!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 7 October 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link
Death to Bill James!
― Karl Malone, Friday, 7 October 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link
Seven strikeouts and counting in two games--looks lost right now.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 October 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link
I was lost, and now I'm found.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 October 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link
From a Jayson Stark column today:
Check this out. It’s the Yankees’ mountainous masher through 47 games in 2023 versus that same mountainous masher through 47 games in 2022. It’s mind-blowing.
HOME RUNS
2023 — 182022 — 18
MULTI-HR GAMES
2023 — 42022 — 4
MULTI-HIT GAMES
2023 — 132022 — 13
RUNS SCORED
2023 — 412022 — 39
RBIs
2023 — 392022 — 38
EXTRA-BASE HITS
2023 — 282022 — 27
PA/HR
2023 — 11.22022 — 11.3
SLASH LINE
2023 — .298/.410/.679/1.0882022 — .303/.371/.657/1.029
― clemenza, Friday, 2 June 2023 21:50 (ten months ago) link
Aaron Boone said he expects Aaron Judge to return this season but stopped short of guaranteeing it. “That’s an absolute. I can’t say that about anyone.”— Bryan Hoch ⚾️ (@BryanHoch) June 24, 2023
― mookieproof, Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:44 (nine months ago) link
Yeah the second I read about the second toe injection, it was a bad vibe. Does Aaron Judge even have a toe anymore?
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:55 (nine months ago) link
Torn ligament in his toe. Can’t walk without pain. Fucking hell.
― half the population ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (gyac), Saturday, 24 June 2023 18:51 (nine months ago) link
Genuinely surprised that last night was his first 3-HR game.
― clemenza, Thursday, 24 August 2023 11:27 (seven months ago) link
As measured by games, fastest ever to 250 HR.
https://sports.yahoo.com/aaron-judge-becomes-mlbs-fastest-player-to-250-career-homers-034419437.html
― clemenza, Saturday, 2 September 2023 18:20 (seven months ago) link