TOOL - C/D!?

yup, I loved them from the EP though. Back when they got labelled 'Grunge' as everything did at that time

Opiate and Undertow are my favorite releases of theirs still.

In order of preference for me: Lateralus > Undertow > AEnima.

Tool are classic

Aenima > Undertow > Lateralus > Opiate

Great band. But are you all forgetting 10,000 Days on purpose? 'Vicarious', the 'Wings for Marie' suite and especially 'Intension'/'Right in Two' are classics that would have fit nicely on the two earlier albums.

AEnima > Lateralus > 'Sober' > 10,000 Days >>> Undertow-'Sober' > Opiate

Can't say I really listen to these guys anymore, but Sober remains a great single that I'm always happy to hear.

the 'Wings for Marie' suite and especially 'Intension'/'Right in Two'

these are great songs, some of the best of their career but imo they're the only great songs on 10,000 days

a little over a year ago, i pitched a ranking of every tool song including the more unmusical interludes, mostly to make fun of bill wyman lists) but it fell through bc writing a blurb for every song seemed exhausting and the pitch was at least 70 percent a joke anyway

'Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here'.

I'd love a Tool track poll. I'd probably go for Pushit. Or Third Eye. Or Lateralus. Or Crawl Away. Or...

Anyone else read the Lilith Fair oral history where Maynard claims he had Tool's manager request a slot on the bill, just so that he could frame the thanks but no thanks letter?

Anyway, I would listen to Tool even if it was just isolated drum tracks.

I have a weird recurring dream about Danny Carey where I'm in a distant part of a venue and I need to get him a message. It's definitely him (or someone copying him) as it's the 'bouncing tennis ball' thing from the start of Disposition.

Was actually on a Tool kick after attending a goth themed birthday party where, by the end of it, the DJs just kept dropping Tool and NIN tracks. 10,000 days surprised me - I recalled liking it more than Lateralus. Felt more emotionally charged. Aenima + Lateralus + 10,000 Days is a hell of a trilogy with the latter album being a solid "Eulogy" for the band. Probably fitting they don't release any more music at this point.

'Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here'.

I'd love a Tool track poll. I'd probably go for Pushit. Or Third Eye. Or Lateralus. Or Crawl Away. Or...

― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, July 6, 2017 8:21 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

listen, i went through everything, and "jimmy" is the best tool song

I'm not gonna argue (well, I am). Just a thought, but Eleven off Stranger Things isn't an oblique Tool reference, is it?

Or a Dead reference. Or Primus.

I assume they are working on a new album. they've been touring and Maynard is going to tour A Perfect Circle, so either they are getting their voice and chops in order, or they've just been sharpened and they want to show them off.

I really should catch them live again, been too long.

One of favourite gig memories is them opening with Third Eye at the old Astoria, with Maynard painted entirely blue and eyes drawn all down his spine.
In that same gig, someone charged the stage and Maynard threw him, pinned him to the deck and didn't miss a note.

I took my dad to see Tool.

My preferred 10,000 Days tracklist:

1. Vicarious
2. Wings for Marie, Part 1
3. 10,000 Days (Wings, Part 2)
4. Lipan Conjuring
5. Jambi
6. Intension
7. Right in Two

This keeps the original structure of two almost-equal halves divided by that little rain dance, but loses the silly 'The Pot', 'Lost Keys' and the very boring 'Rosetta Stoned' which just goes on and on but never goes anywhere.

Pretty much a perfect album in this configuration.

i like that a lot!

I think I'd cut it down more than that, maybe

1. Wings for Marie, Part 1
2. 10,000 Days (Wings, Part 2)
3. Lipan Conjuring
4. Intension
5. Right in Two

That would make a consistent 37-minute psychedelic Tool album and be kind of like one long piece.

[Waiting for the joker who only wants to keep 'Lipan Conjuring'...]

don't cut "jambi"!

Or 'Vicarious'. Their best single since 'Stinkfist'.

Great band. But are you all forgetting 10,000 Days on purpose?

Nah, I don't really consider it in the same league as their other work.

it's time now, give me my wiiiiiiiiiiiiings

SHIT THE BED AGAIN

Tool is fine, but Puscifer is Fun!

10,000 Days rules. I saw them a year after it came out, it was sick, they opened with "Jambi" and Melt Banana opened.

think I'd cut it down more than that, maybe

1. Wings for Marie, Part 1
2. 10,000 Days (Wings, Part 2)
3. Lipan Conjuring
4. Intension
5. Right in Two

That would make a consistent 37-minute psychedelic Tool album and be kind of like one long piece.

― jmm, Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:28 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i do love that you sort of made the ambient tool album here

Maynard on the Joe Rogan podcast - http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/maynard-james-keenan-2

The Tool writing process was new to me, in that Danny, Adam and Justin clearly take aaages to write, and this clearly frustrates Maynard - to the point that he basically leaves them to it, and waits until the foundations are laid before adding his writing. Also didn't know he'd had a new hip. And owned a restaurant.

I love how he was talking about EMP bombs/asteroids in the context of preferring vinyl to CD/digital lmao

Watched part of this really crappy cheap-o Amazon Prime Tool documentary last night

https://www.amazon.com/Tool-Ultimate-Review-MVD/dp/B003D0BZQC

anyway, super low budget, obv nobody talked to them except these LA scenester dudes

but anyway big thing I didn't know was that Tool grew out of Green Jelly???

it actually makes a weird kind of sense

some serious accusations against Maynard

Deep breath. I have to anonymously tell this story because I tried to tell it from my real account and couldn't name him directly out of fear, so I deleted the tweets. Here goes: I was 17 and he was 36. 1/

— Iwas17HeWas36 (@IWas17HeWas36) June 23, 2018

"Later on, I heard from a male friend that he did this in every city, at every show."

Horrifying.

I posted about this on rolling metal but probably best to discuss here - couldn't bump it on Flagging

I actually got in an argument with someone re: groupies or alleged-groupies in the MeToo era, and she for some reason differentiated them from the abuses of power in the news. I think her argument was that groupies aren't being taken advantage in the same way because they have nothing to gain, nothing professional at stake. And I said that's bullshit, because it's still a matter of men using their power to take advantage of girls and women, however "consensual" it may appear in the abstract.

Anyway, this does not sound remotely consensual, and sounds as horrifying as it seems entirely plausible.

Sadly related, but I just went back and brushed up on the allegations made about Isaac Brock and Conor Oberst and, though the allegations were eventually dropped/recanted in both cases, I wonder if things would be different in 2018 vs. 1999 and 2014 respectively.

What do you think would have happened differently, based on how those cases played out?

(I don’t recall many specifics of either case, which is why I ask)

I just wonder if the onus would have shifted to Brock and Oberst to prove concretely that the incidents did not happen (or happen the way they were portrayed) instead of just the general assumption by fans/etc from day one that the allegations were false (especially Brock's allegations in 1999, which now is almost 20 years ago).

The oberst one was a rare case that iirc was more or less debunked

Brock's a little hazier, not a lot of specifics I've seen

Based on what little information has survived about the Brock story, it resembles the Aziz Ansari story from a few months ago, but taken further.

The onus was on Oberst, wasn't it? And it was totally debunked, iirc, and also fucked him up for a couple of years, and forever ties him to the allegation. But yeah, that sort of revelation is a rarity. Brock, yeah, I'm not even sure what happened there, what the ultimate outcome was. He talks about it here:

https://www.avclub.com/modest-mouse-1798208359#

It affected both of them a fair deal when it happened & would destroy their careers today

Whether or not they were innocent

The good news is that Tool fans will now have a whole new way to be the fucking worst.