take it with a grain of salt if you like, but I've seen quite a few instances of chapter heads asking their membership how many even have a Twitter acct and finding out it's very low
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
from the UK perspective (and I gather there are similarities in the US), the issue has been that centrist pundits (rentoul/hodges/deerin/lewis/cohen/freedland/behr/ganesh etc) have just turned out to be consistently wrong and increasingly so, and so smug, condescending and unwilling to engage with it nor willing to update their analyses for the world as it now actually is. all the while getting paid handsomely to regurgitate their tepid analyses. imo you should be given these platforms (and chunky salaries) based on your insight and demonstrable understanding of the political context imo otherwise its the philosophers' ship* for you. especially when 40% of ppl have just voted for a left platform, it's time that the left gets represented (toynbee doesn't count).
*retirement
― ||||||||, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
no major US newspaper or TV network has an outspoken leftist (as in left-of-the-DNC) on staff that I know of
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
so no, not just a UK problem
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkHow about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkC-― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
C-
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this was good
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
does fred know that it's centrist maddow-types that are pushing the fifth column/russia stuff and not leftists?
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
apparently not, speaking of which this is probably good but no way in hell am I listening to all of it w/ this audio quality
https://soundcloud.com/expandthediscourse/the-russia-thing-pt-1-six-degrees-of-attribution?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
yeah i agree. that contributes to the bizarre unreality of the discourse chapo has exported in podcast form
I agree with this in the sense that I would prefer Chapo style stuff to act as a *part* that discourse but not dominate it - the problem is of course that there is so little US left media with any kind of reach. I suspect this will change over the next couple of years.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
lmao @ "expand the discourse"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
now that's libidinal
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link
I like that CTH has inspired a ton of leftists (many of whom are very sharp!) to start podcasts but I wish they'd invest even 100 bucks in basic recording equipment and/or EDIT the damn things
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
no way. our HD society is oppressive. we need more stuff that looks and sounds bad.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
can't tell if joking or not but I really think this is a problem! centrist/lib blowhards shouldn't have a monopoly on polish. it's a barrier to entry.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
― Treeship, 5. juli 2017 19:27 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with anything?
Not saying that CTH had anything to do with the Scalise-shooting. Just a dark laugh at Simon H and his fake promises.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
nothing fake about that promise freddie boy
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
it is a stretch for me to be listening to a podcastdouble stretch for one called "chapo trap house"
so not gonna listen to something called cum town
― mh, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:42 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otmmmmmmmmm
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
I don't listen to it either tbh, just saying, if you think CTH is distasteful....
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the shooter's motivation was the lib-russia-panic iirc
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
Um. Link, please?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
tbh I've seen plenty on the guy's pro-Bernie/anti-Trump tirades but nothing specific to Russiagate
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
honestly if you're bothered by the smugness of CTH (I am), you'll enjoy the candor of Cum Town. there's a lot of intersection/crossover with topics discussed and yes they are actually intelligent and well spoken people and not rock fuck stupid like O&A.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
x-post: And we can all agree it has more to do with bad mental health care system and easy access to guns, right?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
well yeah
O&A?
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
Opie & Anthony
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
ahhh.
the couple times I deigned to try out CT some of the gags were beyond the pale even for me tbh
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:16 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
his Facebook was taken down not long after the shooting, but it was lots of posts about russiagate and how trump was a traitor to US democracy, including sharing of rachel maddow shit.
he signed this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/impeach-legal-removal-of-president-vice-president-et-al-for-misprision-of-treason
he shared this:
https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/posts/1540632146029834
and this
https://www.facebook.com/therachelmaddowshow/posts/10154597411979067
etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
i hate O&A but i'm a big Stern fan - again, ymmv if you are repulsed by talk radio, but Cum Town is so much smarter than those shows and yes, less smug than CTH. it's not a political show but if you're looking for good podcasts where the hosts don't use "NPR voice" and talk in questions, it's great
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
fred my dude what is going on with you
xp. you can find images of his Facebook posts if you wish, a quick google would work. i don't feel like spamming the page with images. the original page is no longer up, as i mentioned in my post. i did peruse it before it was taken down though.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
Ok. I ask again, because the idea that because he shared a video of Rachel Maddow it was that video that made him do it is self-evidently bullshit, and I'd like to know if there's more to it. And I'd like to know where you and apparently Treeship get this sort of bullshit from.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
ok his shitposting lib garbage about russia had nothing to do with the shooting, only his love of bernie sanders. you win freddy b. you total fucking bore.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
Frederik B is the Chapo Trap House to our centrist ilx opinions
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
quick someone make an expanding brain meme about this ^
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
I don't think the baseball practice shooter was shitposting in facebook, I think he really believed all the conspiracy angle shit
also he was incredibly abusive to his family iirc
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
thanks for catching my drift, flappy :)
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
xpost That's Chris Hayes' fault tho
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
i read Frederik's posts in the voice of Mark McKinney's Dar-RYL character from TKITH
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, of course this was all to defend Bernie Sanders. Ffs.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
freddy b, i couldn't give two shits about bernie sanders.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
he would be considered a centrist gun-nut where im from
The Scalia shooter also had political cartoons about Scalise being a racist. Articles about his FB feed seem to reveal anger at GOP over a number of things. Tying to one specific thing like that is just as non-sensical as saying it's related to his Bernie support.
Also Maddow reporting on Russia is very far from conspiratorial shit posting if you see any of it, pretty much focused on kleptocracy and comparing it to Trump's business past. You could argue it was too much a focus of the show for a time (it's not something I personally wanted to hear about every night), seems like they pulled back a bit on it as of late.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
― mh, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:57 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah the cogent thing i generally find with these random shootings is that usually it's awful men who have abused women in their past
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
― -_- (jim in vancouver), 5. juli 2017 21:00 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― -_- (jim in vancouver), 5. juli 2017 21:00 (thirty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Fucking Social Democrats. Right-leaning Goldman Sachs loving sellouts, all of them.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
my point was more that I'm from somewhere where all university education is without fees and our healthcare is socialized rather than single-payer but keep on riffing, you crazy dane.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
you'll enjoy the candor of Cum Town
i have no idea why but it's hilarious every time flappy celebrates cum town and then also immediately brings up their stern fandom
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
xxp yeah, I keep coming back to thinking about this local case from last year. a middle aged guy who had problems with his family started out with this weird strong support for police during the peak of the protests against police violence. somehow he decided to go to a suburban high school football game with a confederate flag, got into an altercation, and the administration had the on-site police officer tell him to leave.
within a couple weeks he went up to two police cars at stop signs on late night duty, shot and killed two police officers in separate locations.
I don't think there'll ever be a good explanation for why he did any of it outside of having a tumultuous home life, leading him to act out in ways that at first seemed to be linked to political issues. None of it holds up under examination. Just a disaffected guy who had an unstable home and work life, along with some mental health problems, who took his frustrations out on people who had nothing to do with his problems
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
xp. it is hilarious for sure.
cum town is bad. chapo is already a bit too edge-lord for my tastes tbh. i don't have a place in my life for laughing at dudes calling each other gay. I'm not 12.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:09 PM (twenty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, both are classic American radio programs
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
fwiw the guy who shot at the congressmen doesn't seem that much different, even if his own politics seem more cogent and his violence more focused. it's not like these people see specific problems and are shooting people because they believe it'll help a specific cause, they just need a convenient target
― mh, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link