Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I mean, throwing that out without the context it's spinning off of a EVILS OF MARXISM list on twitter and was a tossed-off line right before going into a repudiation of the dude in question's previously published views is some bait and switch

btw I 100% sending Malcolm Gladwell to the sun, but only if he's unable to transmit his book he writes about it on the journey back to earth

how about if we bring back the philosopher ships for http://www.nrcruise.com/

I think enough of those people are blockading the right from consolidating their platform. We just need to send the public "liberals" out to the bermuda triangle for a couple years while we firm up ours

And we expect more top conservatives to join us!

wait, who is already listed on there that they consider a "top conservative?"

nikki haley wants to go, but NK

can we crowdfund a ticket to this for alfred pls

CTH is Rush Limbaugh for the left. That's why it works, that's why it's took off so quickly. It's a rebuke of the ridiculous "when they go low, we go high" strategy. As Matt said in that Harvard Crimson interview, politics should be libidinal, visceral. Joking about sending dull intellectuals in a rocket into the sun is par for the course.

politics should be libidinal, visceral

ew

if we have to get mad about this now do we have to get mad about "die cis scum" shirts next? sounds exhausting.

yeah I see "men are scrum" / "male tears" type stuff everywhere lately

they do love a good scrum tho

hahaha woops

we just moved to agile at work so clearly I have issues to work out

politics should be libidinal, visceral

ew

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in less, er, bodily terms - notions of compromise, nobility, and civility are obsolete when you're up against a ruthless, atavistic party that will give you no quarter even if you behave properly.

that libidinal, visceral matt christman in full

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/0*IRHQxPXVATAz2sFa.jpeg

otm xp

I wouldn't say Rush Limbaugh, more like The Daily Show for the left. Instead of wry smirks and rallies about why don't we all just agree to disagree, it's irony and anger.

maybe there is value is relentlessly mocking all the terrible centrist pundits I agree are terrible. I just am not sure it's really subversive or anything and the level of analysis i see from the main hosts doesn't seem to go that far beyond mocking centrists for self-servingly hiding behind identity politics. (it's different sometimes when there are guests and i know from reading amber's writing that she is more interesting than the other guys).

i might just be too burned out on US politics to appreciate this show. i wish i could stop consuming media related to US politics but i'm scared to discover the void that i've been filling with that consumption all these years.

i was definitely not making an argument that i am offended by "male tears" jokes wtf. i'm not even "offended" by the show, but i'm not going to cheer on eDgY celebrations of state censorship when i see them

the sort of tribalism on the left that's grown so much in the wake of the democratic primary is itself a tragedy. there is so much posturing and bullshit and the battle lines are completely stupid. "bernie bros," "hilbots," "brocialists," "identitarians," "the resitance," please shoot me into the sun

it's not a fun good time

I think Twitter makes all that seem like more of a real division than it actually is tbh, the vast majority of Hillz voters like Bernie (the reverse is also likely true), and most DSA types are not on social media at all

yeah i agree. that contributes to the bizarre unreality of the discourse chapo has exported in podcast form

and most DSA types are not on social media at all

idk about this...

take it with a grain of salt if you like, but I've seen quite a few instances of chapter heads asking their membership how many even have a Twitter acct and finding out it's very low

from the UK perspective (and I gather there are similarities in the US), the issue has been that centrist pundits (rentoul/hodges/deerin/lewis/cohen/freedland/behr/ganesh etc) have just turned out to be consistently wrong and increasingly so, and so smug, condescending and unwilling to engage with it nor willing to update their analyses for the world as it now actually is. all the while getting paid handsomely to regurgitate their tepid analyses. imo you should be given these platforms (and chunky salaries) based on your insight and demonstrable understanding of the political context imo otherwise its the philosophers' ship* for you. especially when 40% of ppl have just voted for a left platform, it's time that the left gets represented (toynbee doesn't count).

*retirement

no major US newspaper or TV network has an outspoken leftist (as in left-of-the-DNC) on staff that I know of

so no, not just a UK problem

PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?

― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:36 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

C-

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was good

does fred know that it's centrist maddow-types that are pushing the fifth column/russia stuff and not leftists?

apparently not, speaking of which this is probably good but no way in hell am I listening to all of it w/ this audio quality

https://soundcloud.com/expandthediscourse/the-russia-thing-pt-1-six-degrees-of-attribution?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

yeah i agree. that contributes to the bizarre unreality of the discourse chapo has exported in podcast form

I agree with this in the sense that I would prefer Chapo style stuff to act as a *part* that discourse but not dominate it - the problem is of course that there is so little US left media with any kind of reach. I suspect this will change over the next couple of years.

lmao @ "expand the discourse"

now that's libidinal

I like that CTH has inspired a ton of leftists (many of whom are very sharp!) to start podcasts but I wish they'd invest even 100 bucks in basic recording equipment and/or EDIT the damn things

no way. our HD society is oppressive. we need more stuff that looks and sounds bad.

can't tell if joking or not but I really think this is a problem! centrist/lib blowhards shouldn't have a monopoly on polish. it's a barrier to entry.

does fred know that it's centrist maddow-types that are pushing the fifth column/russia stuff and not leftists?

― Treeship, 5. juli 2017 19:27 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with anything?

Not saying that CTH had anything to do with the Scalise-shooting. Just a dark laugh at Simon H and his fake promises.

nothing fake about that promise freddie boy

it is a stretch for me to be listening to a podcast
double stretch for one called "chapo trap house"

so not gonna listen to something called cum town

― mh, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:42 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otmmmmmmmmm

I don't listen to it either tbh, just saying, if you think CTH is distasteful....

does fred know that it's centrist maddow-types that are pushing the fifth column/russia stuff and not leftists?

― Treeship, 5. juli 2017 19:27 (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with anything?

Not saying that CTH had anything to do with the Scalise-shooting. Just a dark laugh at Simon H and his fake promises.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the shooter's motivation was the lib-russia-panic iirc

Um. Link, please?

tbh I've seen plenty on the guy's pro-Bernie/anti-Trump tirades but nothing specific to Russiagate

honestly if you're bothered by the smugness of CTH (I am), you'll enjoy the candor of Cum Town. there's a lot of intersection/crossover with topics discussed and yes they are actually intelligent and well spoken people and not rock fuck stupid like O&A.

x-post: And we can all agree it has more to do with bad mental health care system and easy access to guns, right?

well yeah

O&A?

Opie & Anthony

ahhh.

the couple times I deigned to try out CT some of the gags were beyond the pale even for me tbh