Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

I guess if you don't think mockery of patently ridiculous beliefs in the ruling/pundit classes is an acceptable or necessary response then chapo might not be for you I guess

yeah man, this is totally about wanting to protect the ruling class, and not at all about finding har-dee-har maybe we would be better off if we put killed everyone with glasses- style jokes a bad look for leftist dudes to be rocking.

I can understand the argument for not going overboard with hyperbole, because to an extent repeating that kind of thing internalizes it and not everyone listening is going to take it as pure exaggeration. I think the rebuttal is that while there's bile there, it's also a shot at the rhetoric that right-wing radio has dealt in as a matter of course for decades.

There have always been demagogues and writers who deal in personal jabs, and I think there is a line. In an ideal world, it'd be a lot more civil, but after the Limbaughs of radio and television have been cranking it up notch by notch, the whole "please, don't do that guys!" comes off as some "we take the high road" crap.

That's the issue, here: the people who get most of the bile from CTH and lefty twitter are the establishment liberals who backwheel from actually taking a firm left stance, or throw in these caveats about how we'll never have single payer. Every time. The jabs at conservative figures in the same space, like David Brooks, definitely have this joking "...but is this guy really ok?" angle. Joking about sending a supposed leftist to space to help move things forward is frustration.

If you think it's too harsh and real, go listen to a few hours of AM conservative talk radio.

meanwhile the policies backed by the ruling class are actually killing the poor and the vulnerable, day in day out, but sure feel free to spend your energy on some poor-taste jokes made by some twitter assholes on a podcast xp

lol spend your energy defending them ok

jonathan swift def did want the irish to sell their children to the rich as food tho iirc

you keep turning the same crank

you keep exposing your handle, what else am i to do

can something that's meant to be satire sound kind of messed up when the speaker seems to be bursting blood vessels from rage and 40s? Tell me about Swift the next time some right wing AM dudes talks about putting people in camps as a joke.

t/s: punching up vs punching down

PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise

they go low, we get our ass handed to us over and over lol

hey, the joke cop is here

bursting blood vessels from rage and 40s

now who's trafficking in low rent stereotypes

It's called hyperbole look it up

but really, I listen to about every fifth episode of this show to catch an interesting guest or topic. is there a particular point where they've just gone full-on into condemning people to camps

PK if anyone ever shoots up the NYT offices in a baseball crank shirt I will take back everything I've said in support I promise

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 5. juli 2017 16:44 (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?

C-

as in Frederik belongs on MSNBC-

Ok is Keyes trolling or does he really think Chapo are the Khmer Rouge

but really, I listen to about every fifth episode of this show to catch an interesting guest or topic. is there a particular point where they've just gone full-on into condemning people to camps

no, for that you need to go to c*m town

it is a stretch for me to be listening to a podcast
double stretch for one called "chapo trap house"

so not gonna listen to something called cum town

How about if someone tries to kill Republican congressmen while they practice baseball?

― Frederik B, Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:36 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That dude didn't go far enough imo

Xpost Worse even. Khmer Rouge never mastered podcasting. That's the trouble with killing the intellectual class.

If you're having to fan yourself with dismay re: joking about exiling Jonathan Chait to the center of the sun just accept that Chapo isn't for you and move on.

listen up, i've been to the center of the sun, that shit's hot.

not just Chait iirc but every public intellectual's USELESS FUCKING ASS

oh i get it, president keyes is peggy noonan

I decided to listen to see what the context of the objectionable joke was

now I'm really confused: so random people on twitter discover wikipedia, respond to Chait's anti-marxism article beat with a list of every fact they just learned about Lenin, and then the CTH guys joke in response to one of the outliers that hey, if we had a boat, it'd go to the sun and we'd throw Chait on it

then there's a several minute repudiation of Chait's neoliberalism apologia (or lack thereof) and war mongering

these guys have made bad jokes before, but how this particular instance is vile, when it starts with a joke kicked off from that basis and immediately followed with analysis of the dude's stances, is ?!?

I figured from context earlier in the thread that they just randomly brought up Lenin's philosopher boats and started listing dudes to go on it or something

I mean, throwing that out without the context it's spinning off of a EVILS OF MARXISM list on twitter and was a tossed-off line right before going into a repudiation of the dude in question's previously published views is some bait and switch

btw I 100% sending Malcolm Gladwell to the sun, but only if he's unable to transmit his book he writes about it on the journey back to earth

how about if we bring back the philosopher ships for http://www.nrcruise.com/

I think enough of those people are blockading the right from consolidating their platform. We just need to send the public "liberals" out to the bermuda triangle for a couple years while we firm up ours

And we expect more top conservatives to join us!

wait, who is already listed on there that they consider a "top conservative?"

nikki haley wants to go, but NK

can we crowdfund a ticket to this for alfred pls

CTH is Rush Limbaugh for the left. That's why it works, that's why it's took off so quickly. It's a rebuke of the ridiculous "when they go low, we go high" strategy. As Matt said in that Harvard Crimson interview, politics should be libidinal, visceral. Joking about sending dull intellectuals in a rocket into the sun is par for the course.

politics should be libidinal, visceral

ew

if we have to get mad about this now do we have to get mad about "die cis scum" shirts next? sounds exhausting.

yeah I see "men are scrum" / "male tears" type stuff everywhere lately

they do love a good scrum tho

hahaha woops

we just moved to agile at work so clearly I have issues to work out

politics should be libidinal, visceral

ew

― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 5, 2017 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in less, er, bodily terms - notions of compromise, nobility, and civility are obsolete when you're up against a ruthless, atavistic party that will give you no quarter even if you behave properly.

that libidinal, visceral matt christman in full

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/0*IRHQxPXVATAz2sFa.jpeg

otm xp

I wouldn't say Rush Limbaugh, more like The Daily Show for the left. Instead of wry smirks and rallies about why don't we all just agree to disagree, it's irony and anger.

maybe there is value is relentlessly mocking all the terrible centrist pundits I agree are terrible. I just am not sure it's really subversive or anything and the level of analysis i see from the main hosts doesn't seem to go that far beyond mocking centrists for self-servingly hiding behind identity politics. (it's different sometimes when there are guests and i know from reading amber's writing that she is more interesting than the other guys).

i might just be too burned out on US politics to appreciate this show. i wish i could stop consuming media related to US politics but i'm scared to discover the void that i've been filling with that consumption all these years.

i was definitely not making an argument that i am offended by "male tears" jokes wtf. i'm not even "offended" by the show, but i'm not going to cheer on eDgY celebrations of state censorship when i see them

the sort of tribalism on the left that's grown so much in the wake of the democratic primary is itself a tragedy. there is so much posturing and bullshit and the battle lines are completely stupid. "bernie bros," "hilbots," "brocialists," "identitarians," "the resitance," please shoot me into the sun

it's not a fun good time