Our Style Is Wild And You Know You Can't Tame Us: GLOW on Netflix

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yeah idk thought the subject matter was pretty ripe

circa1916, Saturday, 1 July 2017 19:51 (two years ago) link

Binged all 10 eps in one sitting. LOVED IT! Much of what I loved has already been covered better in the thread, but I think maybe the most genius moment was Sam finding out 'Mothers and Lovers' had already been made with a bigger budget.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 00:47 (two years ago) link

Unlike other eighties-pastiche series, such as “Red Oaks” and even the terrific “Stranger Things,” “glow” feels like it’s set in the actual eighties, not a dream board of eighties movies

This was not my feeling at all. There are even dumb jokes about Steve Gutenberg or whatever

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:08 (two years ago) link

I thought this show would be better, cuz he milieu is so fascinating and the characters are interesting and has good actors but it's just not working for me. I feel like it started to look at what makes wrestling interesting but then drops it...I feel like these characters probably would have been much more interested in wrestling than is depicted, like, they were passionate about it!

Also the lead character feels like a one dimensional joke on "serious actress" and not in a way that's funny or interesting. Also reminds me too much of piper from oitnb

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:12 (two years ago) link

The 80s-ness didn't seem overdone imo. Since at least half the show took place in a non-descript gray gym or in old-ass motel rooms, there wasn't a whole lot of period-specific scenery to deal with. (I thought Stranger Things was really good at this as well.)

Somebody wrote a thing at Pitchfork the other day about the music selections and how unique they were, and I gotta call bullshit on that. I LOVE most of the music that was used, but let's not pretend that Howard Jones and Journey took a whole lot of thought.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:20 (two years ago) link

agree

music supervisor said he just leaned into the stuff he liked back then & didnt try to overthink it

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:27 (two years ago) link

GLOW is mostly about women figuring out who they are .. and wrestling

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:34 (two years ago) link

Agree. I think if you just want to watch a bunch of characters thrown together, given almost no depth, you should probably be watching actual wrestling.

As someone who listens to Maron talk three hours a week, every week, I actually found myself using him as an anchor while I focused on learning about everyone else. There was a moment when I thought they were going to give characters flashbacks a la Orange Is The New Black, but it was really just Sheila doing the wolf thing. Maybe flashbacks help, maybe they don't. I feel like I know OITNB characters better than I do these women, but maybe learning about them more organically is okay.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 02:40 (two years ago) link

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol... if you say so?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:09 (two years ago) link

I can imagine that this show is more entertaining than pro wrestling itself, as most things on the face of the earth are.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:11 (two years ago) link

mr veg hates wrestling more than almost anything (some of our worst arguments when we first got together were about my love for & his hateed of wrestling lol ) he totally dug it
to be fair, he was a fan of alison brie & maron already. but he also had zero expectations going in

if you come in wanting some deep exploration wrestling & wall to wall dope moves you will be disappointed is all i'm saying

but there are dope moves :D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 04:24 (two years ago) link

I'm more interested in their relationship to the world of wrestling than seeing wall to wall wrestling fwiw

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:29 (two years ago) link

There is no relationship yet. They're a tiny operation that doesn't even get on television for the first time until the last sequence of the last episode, and even then it's only on a small cable channel between two strange shows.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:34 (two years ago) link

yeah they might explore more of that in the next season

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:37 (two years ago) link

Really can't tell if i should bother w this or not. I def watched GLOW as a kid otoh I hated Stranger Things and netflix has yet to produce a really solid show imo

Οὖτις, Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:39 (two years ago) link

I didn't watch GLOW as a kid, but I thought the doc a few years ago was neat and I like Maron and Alison Brie and came to really like everyone else in it. Plus, the episodes are short, so you don't have much to lose.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 05:51 (two years ago) link

I wanted to like this far more than I actually did. The acting is pretty good (Kate Nash excepted, who is dreadful) but every single plot beat is telegraphed way in advance so after 10 minutes you can tell exactly what the cliffhanger will be.

Maron and Brie are the standouts (and have a totally unresolved sexual tension in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end) and have some great lines.

As stated above, the 80s feels totally thrown at it (for example this is
summer 85 - Back To The Future has just been released - and Hair Metal didn't really become a thing until the autumn of 86 with the Bon Jovi reference specifically a year out; alternatively, the aerobics craze started in gyms in the late 70s - the ONJ single Physical was 81 and Jane Fonda at home was 82, both of them felt like death knells and it was gone in 83) which chimes with the music supervisor's quote above.

It was an entertaining enough dramedy and I'll watch the next season, but it's very much a tier 2 Netflix commission.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 2 July 2017 08:52 (two years ago) link

in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end

Maybe I'm a dummy and didn't pick up on some clues, but the real surprise of the series was when Sam finds out [redacted] is [redacted].

Sam and Ruth having an adult relationship that doesn't involve sex is the kind of thing that should happen in tv more imo.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 13:46 (two years ago) link

Yes, and that's why it was surprising they went that way with Sam & Ruth.

Sam the [redacted] is completely trope-tastic and a mainstay of teen fiction. Telegraphed from the episode where [redacted] shows in-depth knowledge of his film history, but also by "how old are you?" in ep 1 and the fact that they're the only one that has a relationship outside of the main cast.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 2 July 2017 13:54 (two years ago) link

Mulder & Scully, Don & Joan, Leslie & Ron...these are all the most compelling type of tv relationship, so I'm looking forward to Sam & Ruth continuing the legacy.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:01 (two years ago) link

Oh man, this Betty Gilpin-written piece is fucking fantastic:

http://www.glamour.com/story/glow-star-betty-gilpin-what-its-like-to-have-pea-sized-confidence-with-watermelon-sized-boobs

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:16 (two years ago) link

"runaway" was a minor hit in the us (and huge in NY, not sure about LA) in '84-'85

maura, Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:45 (two years ago) link

oh and by this time they were being managed by doc mcghee

anyway

maura, Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:48 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I definitely remember Runaway and In and Out of Love prior to Slippery When Wet, and I lived in bumfuck Alabama.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 14:53 (two years ago) link

I defer to the American knowledge on Bon Jovi because they didn't make it abroad until SWW. I'm sure there's a Whitesnake ref too though, which isn't till 86/87.

Despite this I'm still not convinced that it was enough of a thing for a rich girl to decide it was going to define her life but it doesn't bug me enough to argue about.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Sunday, 2 July 2017 16:17 (two years ago) link

Liking this but when there's nudity is sure is gratuitous.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 2 July 2017 17:23 (two years ago) link

The nudity is a loss leader like Best Buy putting cds at the front of the store. After you get in, there isn't any more (except for Maron's ass later on in the season).

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 17:34 (two years ago) link

Oh wait, I forgot about the Cherry/Keith scene later in the season, probably because that's married couple sex.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 17:38 (two years ago) link

You're telling me that Cherry and Keith have sex TWICE? They really are married! (I already saw them doing it, I think episode 2 or 3.)

Some less glib thoughts:
Glad that we got to see a real show before the finale -- a real slow drip would've killed me.
Similarly, it was better that Debbie realized that wrestling == soap opera earlier than later, and Ruth embracing being a heel elevates the mood so much.
Do doubles do most of the wrestling in the wide shots? I can't imagine the producers being ok with their leads doing things to their bodies that will eventually require painkillers just to function normally.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:27 (two years ago) link

Speaking of Keith, I loved when he would have conversations or say really encouraging things to the wrestlers while pretending to be angry for the crowd's benefit.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:38 (two years ago) link

Yeah! That's hilar, reminds me of the pitcher's conferences in Bull Durham.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:02 (two years ago) link

I had a really, really great time with this show. wouldn't be upset if there was never another season - I feel like this was perfection and am slightly afraid that more would dilute that somehow.

As with some other shows I love I wonder if I'd love it less if I watched more TV generally, and was comparing this to the other 3-5 shows in my current rotation. But I only watch maybe a handful of seasons of anything per year, so my bench for weighing these things may differ from some folks.

This year it's been, maybe all of The Blacklist (though maybe that was late last year) and Glow and that's it. For the rest of 2017 probably Season 4 of The Blacklist, Black Mirror Season 4, and Stranger Things Season 2 unless someone talks me into something else.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:04 (two years ago) link

(Example: I've never watched OITNB, so I can't compare these two series.)

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:23 (two years ago) link

hey Veg, I'm sold, this show rules :-D

Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:21 (two years ago) link

Really can't tell if i should bother w this or not. I def watched GLOW as a kid otoh I hated Stranger Things and netflix has yet to produce a really solid show imo

This is much better than Stranger Things. It has some problems and Brie doing Shelley Long can sometimes get a little exhausting, but it has a lot going for it. The 80s stuff can be pretty subtle, even when it is not subtle. At the least it feels like a real '80s world.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 July 2017 23:51 (two years ago) link

I will say, had they gone just a touch lighter on the sex and drugs (neither of which are in this so much that their absence would have really been felt) this would have been a great show to watch with my kids.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 00:23 (two years ago) link

The idea that this is better than stranger things is crazy to me

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 3 July 2017 04:32 (two years ago) link

stranger things was completely meh. bojack remains their best show but I am curious about this

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 July 2017 05:20 (two years ago) link

This does a great job on empowerment and delivers unadulterated entertainment (a plot in the finale that you can tell coming miles away is still invigorating and satisfying and cathartic), but I think like real pro wrestling, it uses ethnic stereotypes shallowly, as an easy way to get cheap heat.

Leee Media Naranja (Leee), Monday, 3 July 2017 07:27 (two years ago) link

xpost Stranger Things was unfortunately little more than nudge-filled pastiche to me, all mood but no meat. I like the idea a lot, though, and the kids, just found the general plot pretty pro forma and unsatisfying. GLOW is more focused, imo, with a strong central fulcrum to pivot around. I feel like there is a lot more to learn about the characters and their relationships, to each other, to the world, to the sport, to whatever. I feel Stranger Things is a character dead end at this point, which means just introducing more non sequitur weird stuff and familiar sci-fi/horror scenarios. But hey, maybe the second season of ST will be awesome and the second season of GLOW a dud.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 13:24 (two years ago) link

Both of them did a really good job of capturing the aesthetic/mood/character of a time/place in which many of us were present. That's the easy comparison. Dramatically, I don't see how they're easily comparable. ST was a weirdo loser pastiche indebted to period genre fiction, GLOW a meta soap opera with an overlay of contemporary feminism. I liked them a lot. Interestingly, some of the dialogue in GLOW seemed far too contemporary, whereas in ST it seemed hokily old-fashioned.

rb (soda), Monday, 3 July 2017 13:46 (two years ago) link

Because ST imo *didn't* do a good job of capturing the aesthetic/mood/character of a time/place, it recreated the way other works did that. Hence the pastiche, for better or for worse. GLOW is trying to recreate the era, not reference works from that era. (Which is ironic, since GLOW is literally recreating a work from its era.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 13:58 (two years ago) link

One of the best parts of Glow for me was how they come to terms with the stereotypical characters, work them out with shades of irony that're understood within the small self-contained group, and when they first perform them for the public the response is completely terrifying. The terrorist character in particular.

Stranger Things about on par with late X-Files.

sciatica, Monday, 3 July 2017 14:27 (two years ago) link

The interview on WTF today with Kia Stevens is fantastic.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 3 July 2017 14:59 (two years ago) link

Fair nuff, Josh. My lived sense of the '80s was outer-suburb/rural, largely white, fantasy-tinged and wholly unsupervised. What Spielberg/Reiner/Columbus et al. captured about the '80s isn't – in spite of being strongly mannered – too wide of the mark Importantly, adults were weird, incidental, inconsistent strangers as likely to harm as hurt. ST, through the pastiche, captures that. Whereas, since I didn't have exposure to popular culture (no TV, movies, music), GLOW seems to me like it's signaling its era with pop-culture cues to which I didn't have access.

remy bean, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:11 (two years ago) link

It's interesting, I was talking to a friend about the early '80s and how much of that period (music, film, etc.) was sort of still the aftershocks of the '70s. I was born in '75 and lived in California for the tail end of that decade. A bunch of "E.T" was filmed in Porter Ranch in the valley, which was right by Northridge, where I lived. So when I see "E.T.," one of the biggest ST references, I think late '70s, not early '80s, which is of course when "ET" was released. Whereas the "GLOW" milieu is to me very much the mid to late '80s - fashion, hair, music. Just my perspective.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:21 (two years ago) link

Only two eps in, p enjoyable so far. Made me realize that Maron being an asshole plays to his limited abilities/appeal. Also this is v otm:

 Stranger Things was unfortunately little more than nudge-filled pastiche to me, all mood but no meat. I like the idea a lot, though, and the kids, just found the general plot pretty pro forma and unsatisfying. GLOW is more focused, imo, with a strong central fulcrum to pivot around. I feel like there is a lot more to learn about the characters and their relationships, to each other, to the world, to the sport, to whatever

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:14 (two years ago) link

I really like this show but its portrayal of blow is very inaccurate

Unchanging Window (Ross), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:15 (two years ago) link

How so? Sometimes amazing, mostly a bit it sad, doing it in secret bedrooms, seems like what I remember.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 July 2017 19:33 (two years ago) link

I really like this show but its portrayal of blow is very inaccurate

Marc brought his own history as a user to the role, so maybe it's different for everybody?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 4 July 2017 20:36 (two years ago) link

If the series hadn't brought the drag performer in, Bash's storyline of AIDS panic --> realising closetedness would have felt hideously unbalanced and shoehorned. The drag character also let them interact with another Vegas performer, and compare and contrast a successful show with a more marginalised one.

But this also felt unbalanced since they don't interact with ANY other performers in the entire city, even the dancers from the other show *in the same casino* as theirs.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

any thoughts on why Ruth turns down Debbie at the end? I didn't get that at all

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:33 (three weeks ago) link

I love these characters, and overall there was a lot to like about this season but it just felt so all over the place, almost manic with the number of plotlines they were juggling

not a huge fan of Maron but by god is he good in this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:57 (three weeks ago) link

Makes total sense, she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

Good season, very different but in ways that held onto the core principles of the show. Lots of the stuff with regards to racism and feminism and sexuality couldn’t be avoided at this point so when it went serious it was a tonal shift but I thought it worked. I think in the year of our lord 2019 they felt they had to take on some stuff more directly.

Bobby was a good addition, he assisted Sheila is coming to terms with shit too. The character was likable and felt correct for the era.

The acting on the show is generally superb but I think Betty Gilpin is phenomenal. To stand out on a show with Alison Brie as your costar is no small feat.

I also think it’s good to recognize that this show is trying something vv different and it’s so not made for golden age of showrunner tv fanboys. I love that fact. I don’t doubt you all recognize that of course. This is the anti-MRA shit I crave.

omar little, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:00 (three weeks ago) link

yeah overall I love it, it's got a good heart

similar to Red Oaks in that respect

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:12 (three weeks ago) link

she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

huh yeah okay that makes sense. Agree that Gilpin is a real standout.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:17 (three weeks ago) link

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:29 (three weeks ago) link

As an aside, I really love that the 2010s have been Toby Huss's playground. I never would have expected when watching Pete & Pete that the guy who played Artie, the Strongest Man in the World would be turning in some excellent dramatic character work 25 years later.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:33 (three weeks ago) link

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

this whole thing seemed to very closely mirror Joan's fling in the last season of Mad Men

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:57 (three weeks ago) link

think Ruth was also really struck/inspired by Carmen going off to chase her big wrestling dream

ogmor, Thursday, 22 August 2019 07:23 (three weeks ago) link

She sees Carmen go for what she wants/is fulfilled by, AND she just missed out on a role she thought she was a shoo-in for (& had earned through Sam knowing how talented / what a hard worker she was, not through their intimacy), AND Debbie comes at her as a power play.

Debbie wants her for her directing skill, but frames it as Ruth being a failure who needs to settle, not that her passion for acting is what helps her tell stories in the ring and through cameras. Probably she could have been won by praise in the latter vein, or maybe by a promise of collaboration & equity, but Debbie’s framing underlines that Debbie is The Man - Ruth’s only way to resist capital’s oppression in that moment is to withhold her labour.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:03 (three weeks ago) link

omar’s point abt comedy is also v relevant

this is otm too, love the way it happened so fast it’s basically off-screen:

He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 22 August 2019 08:11 (three weeks ago) link

I liked this a lot like I always do, but I also felt like it didn't get rolling until halfway through; and there were some weird things that just got dropped, like Cherry's debt to the casino. I suppose we're to assume she paid it off mud wrestling?

akm, Sunday, 25 August 2019 02:47 (three weeks ago) link

yeah there was just a lot going on

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 August 2019 03:06 (three weeks ago) link

She mentioned at one point celebrating because she was debt-free (I think at the fundraiser event?)

omar little, Sunday, 25 August 2019 03:24 (three weeks ago) link

Finally finished. I thought this season was pretty great, up until the last couple episodes, when it kinda fell apart. I didn't buy the Ruth/Sam stuff, and it gets negated in such a lame way when she doesn't get the movie part and they just sorta forget about it.

The stuff with Debbie was very strange this season. She REALLY screwed over her boyfriend, but she also screwed over Sandy doubly (pulling the money from Rhapsody AND having GLOW bail on the casino), which seemed like maybe setting up Debbie for a heel turn, I guess? They haven't done (afaict) a ton with using wrestling metaphors in their real lives (maybe I'm dense and there is a ton of this going on, but I haven't noticed it if so), so that could be interesting, but it was pretty sudden.

The saddest part of the season is poor Reggie the Viking. Everyone around her is having love interests and spilling about their traumatic pasts. Her thing is that she's pretty good at camping and hiking. The last scene where she announces "Redwood National Park, here I come!" was just painful, and borderline cruel to that actress after a season of nothing. I suppose the old biddy characters are in the same boat.

Also, we bought an OLED TV a few months ago, and godDAMN Netflix stuff looks incredible in HDR. Any scenes with neon lights look amazing, but really everything looks so beautiful in HDR.

DJI, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

old biddy characters are there for comic relief so they at least get that, the viking character gets literally *nothing* to do

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

Some of the characters or maybe actors are weak enough that I kind of would rather they be kept in the background since there are so many other better stories. I could've dealt with a lot less Melrose and Kate Nash this season.

Yerac, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

Ruth's styling this season seemed weird. They make her look so sickly.

Yerac, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

Finished last night, and this season never took off for me except for the role swap and camping episodes. I really missed the group camaraderie from the first two seasons, and the character interactions were so much more atomized and compartmentalized that the energy dragged a lot for me.

Melon Musk (Leee), Sunday, 1 September 2019 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

I definitely would've preferred more Tamme than Rhonda.

Melon Musk (Leee), Sunday, 1 September 2019 19:33 (two weeks ago) link


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