brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

But I can't bring myself to be as EU positive as mr Bragg

You know what Lib Dems are like.

starting to feel a bit like we're back where we started. tories in power and labour arguing with each other. as much as everyone talks about how shaky the government is, it's not hard to imagine this going on for some time.

The big difference is the level of authority held by both leaders.

starting to feel a bit like we're back where we started. tories in power and labour arguing with each other and another n months of settling down and hoping that one or other party is secretly planning not to be 100% completely country-destroyingly Hard Batshit despite all their public announcements and most other evidence, because that's all you can do

hope it turns out better than the "May actually has some very cunning softer Brexit cards up her sleeve which she's fabulously misdirecting away from" theory

sorry I should stop talking about Brexit tho yes

btw an example of being frustrated by economic illiteracy/ineloquence: everyone bangs on abt how Labour would borrow and spend and 1. that's bad and 2. the Tories don't do just that and then just give it to their mates instead of public services or stimulating the wider economy

I'm p. sure 1 and 2 are annoyingly false but I don't feel safe enough to talk about it in case they go "ha-HA, explain to me some fancy economics-type words and draw me a graph of the spending deficit and the national debt over the past 30 years" and I'd have to go, "actually, I like using words but I don't really know what they mean or any numbers, bye"

perhaps it's just that I live in Oxford and occasionally meet a strain of very debating society Tory that loves to demolish anyone not using a word quite right and then deflect all actual points with strawmanning and whataboutery before going to talk to someone who looks more profitable to network with

" a strain of very debating society Tory that loves to demolish anyone not using a word quite right and then deflect all actual points with strawmanning and whataboutery before going to talk to someone who looks more profitable to network with"
lol, ain't that the truth!

Some of the very good stuff within Corbyn's manifesto wouldn't even be allowed without at least changing our relationship with the EU is another thing I was thinking but didn't manage to get into my last post, because it would probably take me 2 hours to write a neat and succinct Matt DC style paragraph!

wd just handwave those guys away with "fuck you, the whole thing needs rebuilding, for the many not the few blah blah gulags blah blah"

I don't meet many people as described in a passing spacecadet's post, but it makes me think of Nick Robinson, or maybe just most of the BBC's political crew!

oh the flashbacks

nick robinson had peter dowd mp shadow chief secretary to the treasury on the today programme this week and got him to repeat what the note left by liam byrne mp said :)

Like that whole 'there's no money' note hasn't been left by each exiting cabinet secretary since the '60s - these people know this and it's disingenuous of our Nick Robinsons to pretend otherwise.

by-election statements by hereditary lords are a gift that gives much: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2017/Arrangements-by-election-30-06-17.pdf

perhaps it's just that I live in Oxford and occasionally meet a strain of very debating society Tory that loves to demolish anyone not using a word quite right and then deflect all actual points with strawmanning and whataboutery before going to talk to someone who looks more profitable to network with

I know this type. Absolute rotters.

E.g. Rees Mogg telling John Snow that the election wasn't a shambles as a shambles is a butcher's slaughterhouse "I'm surprised you didn't know" - just googled that to remind myself of the details and the Express's headline on it says that "Snow receives a classic Rees Mogg tongue lashing".

Do this enough and then turn round and say 'we're tired of experts'

The strategy of it all is so wearying

Snow should have told Rees Mogg that he is totally ace and then added the big debating society style take-down - and that's an acronym for "a crap effort".

Well it would be just as witty and relevant as Mogg's "tongue lashing"!

E.g. Rees Mogg telling John Snow that the election wasn't a shambles as a shambles is a butcher's slaughterhouse "I'm surprised you didn't know" - just googled that to remind myself of the details and the Express's headline on it says that "Snow receives a classic Rees Mogg tongue lashing".

― Heavy Doors (jed_), Friday, June 30, 2017 11:10 AM (fifty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus.

politicians should just start doing that with journos all the time

journo: this is a watershed moment for your government?
pol: no because a watershed is a dividing line that separates draining basins, I'm surprised you don't know that

It's sort of classic cunt behaviour, in that it's verbal pedantry from a party that loves to erode the meaning of words

e.g. if they're going to get specific about 'shambles' why do they get away with 'extremism', 'british values', etc

Tbf that kind of thing can feel delicious, at least temporarily, when done by one's own side.

IIRC, the hero of some Stephen Fry novel is met with a "poppycock!" from some stuck-up establishmentarianist, replies with "no, this is hard shit indeed", and then at the shocked mien of his opponent explains that the latter's invective comes from "pappe kak" ie "soft shit" in Dutch.

That is literally the only thing I remember from that book. Sorry for derail.

delicious poppycock

no you don't understand, poppage is the name of my cock!

delicious

mm-mm-mmm!

stephen fry is dreadful sorry

hi LJ! :D

As I said, sorry for derail.

To get us back on topic, it has come to my attention that Ian Lavery's sons are both donk DJs.

https://soundcloud.com/ianlavery11

https://soundcloud.com/ross-lavery-3

This absolutely enhances what was already a very good rep.

you know what they wanna do with the next Labour manifesto, right?

reverse Psychoactive Substances Act and legalise spice and m-cat again?

"Wimbledon warns supporters against political chants and slogans amid fears of outbreak of Henmanism Corbynism"

me since 10pm june 8th

Politic's is back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (wolf Howl)

— wint (@dril) February 18, 2015

wimbledon crowd surely rooting for chuka

Ed Balls please.

At least when everyone is chanting Corbyn's name at every sporting/musical/public event, it shows we have defeated facism:p

First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the corbyn

I am enjoying May's review of Brown's first six months
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/columnists/2007/12/theresa-may-mp.html

those were the days

http://i.imgur.com/u2BHk8i.png

LOLico call him by his name

"Crowds are gathering in Amber Rudd's marginal Hastings to hear Jeremy Corbyn speak."

Might be a good day for Amber to batten up the hatches and binge-watch GLOW or something*.

*kill herself

haha some of my #nevercorbyn semi-pals on FB have been muttering darkly abt this event (aged rock crits like myself except unlike me they have moved to the south coast in their grumbly senescence)

they are not the worst people by any means but honestly they shd never talk abt politics

(closer to publication i have half a plan to burn all my bridges by writing a look-at-me-click-on-this-buy-my-book piece abt why so many aged rock-crits are so dumb abt this stuff)

I think you really should start that thread about how all Brit music hacks, apart from Wells,Penman and yer good self's politics are fookin' rank. Just go deep cover with a sock if you don't want jeopardise any professional friendships.

"fully 40 years after committing to punk rock, mark s finally* pisses some ppl off a bit"

*by design i mean, i assume i've pissed off a ton of ppl by accident down the years

I think I know who you mean mark s, I see some of their ramblings on FB as they are friends with a friend from ILX...

http://i.imgur.com/scG6jez.jpg

I wonder if Jess Phillips is aware Corbyn was never a frontbencher.

the once and future prime minister

(closer to publication i have half a plan to burn all my bridges by writing a look-at-me-click-on-this-buy-my-book piece abt why so many aged rock-crits are so dumb abt this stuff)

Title suggestion: "How Jeremy Corbyn Broke David Quantick's BRANE!!"

naming no names till i'm good and ready