"Valerian is as gorgeous & epic a sci-fi adventure as you are expecting. However, the story & characters often get overshadowed by the world."
This may be the most negative thing Germain Lussier has ever written. The dude is a Peter Travers-level "I love everything!" gasbag.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
Boy you got that right.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
I was already drifting away from io9 when Annalee and Charlie Jane left, but when he took over I was done for good. It became just another superhero/Star Wars hype platform, like the world needs that.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
Yes of course
http://ew.com/movies/2017/07/05/valerian-luc-besson-action-scene/
“After I wrote the sequence, I explained it to the crew for an hour,” he says. “They were smiling, but I could see on their faces that they didn’t understand a thing.”And so at his L’École de la Cité in Paris, a free film academy the director opened in 2012, Besson recruited the whole student body to shoot a demo of the action scene’s 600 storyboarded shots as part of their curriculum.“I brought the 120 students to the soundstage and we shot the entire scene,” Besson says. “They were the actors, they were the cameramen, the lighting people, the grips. Costumes, accessories. We put the 600 shots on the wall and one by one we shot them. They did everything in three weeks, and then we edited and put in some temp music.”Besson adds with a proud laugh, “And then the crew understood the scene.”
And so at his L’École de la Cité in Paris, a free film academy the director opened in 2012, Besson recruited the whole student body to shoot a demo of the action scene’s 600 storyboarded shots as part of their curriculum.
“I brought the 120 students to the soundstage and we shot the entire scene,” Besson says. “They were the actors, they were the cameramen, the lighting people, the grips. Costumes, accessories. We put the 600 shots on the wall and one by one we shot them. They did everything in three weeks, and then we edited and put in some temp music.”
Besson adds with a proud laugh, “And then the crew understood the scene.”
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
You forgot the setup
A chase ensues between the minions of a three-nosed Jabba-type beast named Igon Siruss (voiced by John Goodman) and Valerian, who has inadvertently trapped his arm between dimensions.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
Minor details!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
All right, got tickets for a 3D showing on Thursday night so bring on the madness.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 03:31 (six years ago) link
I've never seen a single Luc Besson film cuz of that Barbarella-without-the-'60s vibe.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
Not even Subway?
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 20 July 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
no. That wd've been most likely.
The writer of this wrote on Letterboxd that watching Besson's entire oeuvre was "agony"
https://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/luc-besson-movies-worst-best-fifth-element-leon-valerian-1201857534/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
That article is dopey. "Adele Blanc-Sec", "The Messenger", "Nikita" deserve higher rankings. Not a *great* filmmaker by any means but a pretty unique one.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 21 July 2017 00:21 (six years ago) link
he's produced some really interesting films, too.
― nomar, Friday, 21 July 2017 00:29 (six years ago) link
As long as Morbs has an excuse to never enjoy things that I do, we're all good imo
― El Tomboto, Friday, 21 July 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
I for one don't need a clickbait listicle to explain why I'm not interested in whatever drippy nonsense Spielberg's got coming up
― El Tomboto, Friday, 21 July 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
drippy?? he hasn't melted any faces in 36 years
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 July 2017 04:02 (six years ago) link
this looks awesome. who wouldn't want to see this?
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 04:43 (six years ago) link
Just got out of seeing it. Great, fantastic, 10 out of 10, so glad I saw it in 3D, wouldn't change a thing about it. Hits all the formulas just right, utterly gorgeous to look at, hope he does get to make more of them.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 July 2017 04:52 (six years ago) link
The AO Scott review in the NYT -- which I would describe as a sympathetic pan -- has many delicious one-liners. The tease is "Sci-fi on Adderall and Ecstasy."
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 July 2017 14:26 (six years ago) link
He's a terrible critic and a mundane writer and has 0% interest in the visuals of a movie, but if you are looking for someone to halfheartedly and boringly recount a plot that anyone on earth could glean from a movie trailer he's your guy.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
without looking at it i'm going to guess and say that AO Scott doesn't once give a visual description of anything in the movie in his review. wait, maybe he's blind. if so, my apologies. it would explain a lot.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link
well, he acknowledges the visuals are the point, sort of
Imagine crushing a DVD of “The Phantom Menace” into a fine powder, tossing in some Adderall and Ecstasy and a pinch of cayenne pepper and snorting the resulting mixture while wearing a virtual reality helmet in a Las Vegas karaoke bar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/movies/valerian-and-the-city-of-a-thousand-planets-review.html
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 July 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
sold
― he tasted like mouth (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 July 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
a critic I sometimes like has panned this on pretty much purely social justice / gender pols grounds which, maybe it really is so retrograde that is tanks the movie but it seems like a weird thing to center otherwise
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 21 July 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
not a visual description. i need more coffee. a description of ANYTHING he sees in the movie. i just don't understand movie writers who have no interest in the whole moving picture part of movies. or sound either for that matter! what did it sound like? he should just write for USA Today.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
"well, he acknowledges the visuals are the point, sort of"
LOL, yeah, a "hilarious" internet critic joke about mashing 5 things together and he's done! so tired. get a real writer, nyt.
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
"blank"...on acid! #yawnface
― scott seward, Friday, 21 July 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
xpost You mean "uproarious" in NYT English.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 21 July 2017 21:14 (six years ago) link
AO Scott, I will bet you, has never rolled.
i just don't understand movie writers who have no interest in the whole moving picture part of movies. or sound either for that matter! what did it sound like?
The equivalent of music critics who devote their entire word count to gossip about the artist's personal life and analysis of lyrics as they relate to same.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 21 July 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link
that's basically all music criticism at this point
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
no it isn't
― mark s, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:27 (six years ago) link
ok
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:30 (six years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
Should I see this in 3D? Normally I wouldn't
― badg, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
Yes.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
― badg, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, 21 July 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
Valerian & Laureline: The Nebula of Ambivalence
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 July 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
i'm still gonna see this, 51% on metacritic which is similar to the 52% score the fifth element has on there. that seems accurate, i don't think this is receiving poorer notices than TFE did when it was released.
― nomar, Saturday, 22 July 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
we're seeing it on the 4th
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 July 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
i enjoyed this. i also kinda hate 3D movies. the theater itself was kinda excellent though. newfangled digital theater in a mall with an excellent screen and sound and stadium seating. would actually love to see dunkirk there. it just takes me too long to get acclimated to 3D. and i have to sit way in the back to take it all in properly. i got used to it but 3D just ends up taking me out of movies. i don't get sucked in. i'm constantly aware that i'm wearing 3D glasses and watching a 3D movie.
the dude in this was pretty lame. and the main duo had zero chemistry. it felt like they had met each other the day before. it should have been two cool women. they had no fun together. no fun banter. nothing. but whatever. there was enough cool stuff in this movie for ten movies. so much to see! very inventive. just the costumes alone. creatures. very cool. i did feel detached though. partly because of the 3D but in general i didn't really care what happened to anyone. but still, very much worth seeing.
that rihanna scene was pretty lame. she sounded like a disney fish or something. her voice didn't fit the movie. also, i would love some future music in sci-fi movies. the retro thing must die.
― scott seward, Monday, 24 July 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
this was dope (i didn't bother with 3D tho).
― Neanderthal, Monday, 24 July 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
Sounds like thing is going to lose a ton of money.
― jmm, Monday, 24 July 2017 13:20 (six years ago) link
it's not primarily aimed at the US market from what I can tell
I uh didn't enjoy this v much, bizarre casting choices and just no apparent thematic core to grasp onto really
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 24 July 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
dane dehaan: why
― crazed with patience (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 July 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
cara delevingne was a joy, having the movie titled after the less interesting lead was bleh. scott otm about the lack of chemistry, the dynamic between the characters and what was supposed to be cute (the whole 'playlist' thing barf) didn't work and the monologues about love hit the wrong notes
the middle part was too much of a shaggy dog story where the plot wasn't progressing
― mh, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
was the english dialogue written by people who were trying to coin new english idioms? kind of felt like it sometimes
― mh, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
that is to say, people who don't have english as a primary language trying to sound hip in english
― mh, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
cara delevingne was a joy
nah
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 24 July 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
they called up an intern at io9 on the phone and asked them for the hot new english language scifi slang.
― nomar, Monday, 24 July 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link