Vince Staples thread

agree w. matt, btw, and isaiah rashad is better than vince too imo

Yeah parts of this remind me of Azealia but that isn't a bad thing imo. Her actual music is not the problem with AB.

I agree with this, like it's cool that the tracks are unpredictable and have a lot happening, but they could use more rapping.

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otm. A pleasure to listen to, though, especially at night when I don't have to concentrate on the rapping

this does make me appreciate the azealia banks album more in retrospect

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:06 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol true.

hate everything about this record

yeh im not a fan. might hate it more than the ep.

I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.

It's not exactly that he lacks presence, it's just the wrong kind of presence for these beats. Also SOPHIE can gtf.

i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song

*needs to learn how

The grey-scale minimalism worked perfectly for him on Summertime, but no need to do it again I guess. I'd love to hear Ka produce a whole record for him though.

I love Ka but I can't imagine Vince on those near-ambient type beats

yeah if anything his best tracks are the loud busy ones, "Hands Up" "Blue Suede" "Norf Norf"

Norf Norf and Blue Suede are really minimal too though (but in a normal drums + 808 + synth line way)

The "I ain't run from nuthin' but The police" and those Joy Division synths are what I remember about "Norf Norf."

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2017/06/vince-staples-big-fish-theory-producer-interview

When you're a producer and someone asks you for beats, you think, "Okay, let me think about their last record.” So I sent some beats that reminded me of Summertime '06 that were kind of "Vince Staples type beats" (laughs). But then I realized that wasn’t what he was looking for from me. He really didn't want me to project any sort of idea about what he might want.

So, then I started going over and hanging out with him at Ty's house and played beats for him—going to the weirdest ones that I thought he wouldn’t like. And he kept saying, "Yeah, go in that direction." One of those was the beat that became "Crabs In a Bucket," which was kind of my take on UK garage with swing drums. Around September of last year, I realized that was the sound he was listening to. He was listening to Detroit music and house music and just electronic music of all kinds.

Yeah that's the thing, this is obviously the album he wanted to make. It's not like it's Vince Staples rapping plus some other music, it's all Vince Staples music.

production sounds hella metallic on my headphones, kinda harsh

i like Vince but my friend said he sounded like Siri and that made me lol

I really like the back third, like from Homage on.

Vince on Hot 97 w/Ebro

Probably the best interview with a rapper I've seen in forever, starts with Rosenberg trying to goad him into shitting on Tyga, then Vince completely in a very real and human way cuts through all that shit, calling him out without causing a beef, and then really gets into his life and the industry and analyzing the media in a very brilliant way. highly recommended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI

Vince seems to usually be the smartest guy in any room he's in. for that reason alone i'ma trust his re-direction on Big Fish Theory

i enjoy this album for the most part, but i wish vince would attack the beat a little bit more, instead of the weirdly passive approach he takes on this album. he seems much less confident than usual, maybe because of the unfamiliar musical surroundings.

when kendrick pops up for his verse on yeah right, it's such a burst of energy and a major contrast to vince's approach throughout the album

Finally circling back to this to see if my initial "oh my god" reaction was a fluke

It wasn't; I am not sure what everyone who hates/dislikes this is reacting against.

I think I get it (the ratio of rapping:not-rapping is unusual for what is ostensibly a rap record, especially a relatively short one; the beats are unorthodox in a possibly "dated" way; etc.) but I also think those are p dumb and unimaginative criticisms

I think I also hear what people are saying about him not being in MC "attack mode" or whatever but again I'm not sure it's really a problem against these beats (apologies if I am strawmanning anyone's complaints)

It's funny that people think the beats are dated because, (I'm guessing?) the whole 2-step rhythms/Disclosure thing was like 2013? But I think texturally they're really forward-thinking in like a Flume/PC Music/FlyLo kind of way? Like trying to anticipate where beats are headed in the same way that, like, Charli XCX's recent stuff is. Remove a little of the rhythm and the Sophie stuff is not too far from what, like, Chino Amobi or Oneohtrix Point Never or w/e is doing

There's really only one part that sounds 2-steppy. And knowing that Seckoff is an L.A. beat scene kid who went to London and got interested in UK club music, the sound makes a lot of sense.

i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*needs to learn how

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this has stuck in my head, I don't think its true, & even if it may be it doesn't really matter

the beats sound super-modern to me.

watched vince's first weekend coachella set and it was great

as a bonus, he gave us this interview
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/vince-staples-calls-out-r-kelly-during-coachella-interview.html

new album out tonight apparently

prediction: worse than the last one

nah i have high hopes, kenny beats production is a good sign

I like the album cover

last one felt like a misstep rather than a falling off, at least i hope i'm right.

I like the last one a lot.

didn't hate it but none of it was as indelible as most of Summertime '06

apparently this new one is more of a stopgap / EP type deal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM!

no static at alllll

"Fun!" features additional vocals by E-40

fuck yeah

they already collabed on a (kinda irritating, tbh) song earlier this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWJT9iUZKA

I don't really know Kenny Beats but I love that VS is sticking with a single producer (or very few) per record, I trust his aesthetic sense.

xp yeah the new one was a bit staid, 40 on a staples song a much more exciting prospect to me atm

im interested in hearing what Kenny has cooked up for Vince, he's a versatile guy who can work in many modes. He's all over the Rico Nasty album, he's done things for TDE, he's capable of doing dirty south things for guys like Key! and YoungBoy. Hard to pin down.

the same guy who made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4happ4TQU

made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWQFpLuOzkY

and this (gonna stop spamming a single artist thread with unrelated embeds now): https://youtu.be/VvsYa9hcFH0

listening now, very good so far. a lot more dynamic, less imposing than big fish theory

beats are great

as far as sub 25 minute 2018 rap albums go: Vince >>> Pusha