Prog Rock

Ha, Montreal was a good place for prog records in the early 00s. I picked up Pawn Hearts for a few bucks iirc.

I think I got a portion of one old proggers collection out of a bookstore in Bloomington back in the 90s. I got most of Tangerine Dreams' Virgin records, a Gentle Giant, Babe Ruth and three VdGG vinyl for probably $25 bucks.

Ha, Montreal was a good place for prog records in the early 00s. I picked up Pawn Hearts for a few bucks iirc.

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when i went to quebec in the late '90s (gatineau, not montreal) my friend took me to a record store called "the musical box". still got some stuff i picked up there. "pawn hearts" as well, soft machine's "triple echo" (at a time when finding that first single was utterly impossible). lost my copy of "in the court of the crimson king" though. :( also managed to pick up both "happy the man" albums in dc, where they were fucking everywhere used back in the day.

magma albums were hens' teeth - i don't know that there were ever any us pressings of them on vinyl. back when i was a major proghead i knew some folks who had magma lps, but it was super rare. they were a lot more accessible once they came out on cd, though again it wasn't until the late '90s when your average person had a chance of actually _hearing_ _mekanik destruktiw kommandoh_. so it was a little surprising to walk into a local record store a couple weeks back and find out they had multiple copies of most of magma's '70s albums (no mdk) on 180g vinyl. not as surprising as it was to find out that harvey mandel was still alive and had a new record out, but close.

I finished the prog book last night, and then remembered that King Crimson are playing tonight down the street from where I work at the Chicago Theatre. Is it fate? The question is, do I want to pay $50 for a last-minute ticket to set in nosebleeds seats in the balcony. The setlist from the Mpls show has a pretty nice mix:

1 In The Court of the Crimson King
1 In The Wake of Poseidon
2 Lizard
3 Islands
2 Larks' Tongue
2 Red
1 Discipline
1 Beat
1 The Power To Believe

5 Unknown Newer Songs

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/king-crimson/2017/state-theatre-minneapolis-mn-53e4e75d.html

it's totally fate

in will romano's prog FAQ from a few years back, explaining the ongoing charm of these guys

http://www.themusicalbox.net/

and the still strong french-canadian prog scene, the real peter "rael" gabriel says that quebec may as well be a european country, and without early success in montreal, genesis maybe never would've been able to tour the states and blow up

Huh, Discipline and Beat? Curious about what they will do to those belew era songs.

crimson albums are not cheap used anymore, but they certainly were throughout the 80's and 90's.

Pink label Island copies?

they are playing 'neurotica' but instrumental except for the 'arrive in neurotica' chorus; the only song from discipline they've been playing is 'indiscipline'. I still haven't heard it but it's the one song people haven't been enamoured with. they also do 'construkction of light' but with no vocals.

someone tipped belew off to this on his FB recently andhe didn't sound pleased, and stated they'd had an agreement they wouldn't play anything he'd written. But they've been doing Construkction of Light since 2014 or 2015 or whenever they came back.

Just saw that, interesting. But not as interesting as seeing that he formed some sort of new band with Stewart Copeland and Mark King from Level 42.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygZyuB21gMU&feature=youtu.be

That Gizmodrome track sounds pretty good - never would've guessed it was made by such old-timers. Copeland sounds great, what the hell

"the band’s proggiest album turns out to also be their most visceral and vital"

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/king-gizzard-and-the-lizard-wizard-murder-of-the-universe/

Mojo issue with VdGG was May 2002

Oh looks like remasters were 3 years later.

So wonder if there was a tie in to them. Had assumed the 2 mitght have coincided roughly. But does look like there may have been a reissue campaign in 2000.

that gizmodrome track is fucking horrendous yikes

"the band’s proggiest album turns out to also be their most visceral and vital"

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/king-gizzard-and-the-lizard-wizard-murder-of-the-universe/

lead singer was wearing a Yes/Fragile t-shirt for their set at glastonbury - became obvious as to why as i sat through 10 minutes of it.

not often you see those on stage

new FLOATING POINTS album is pretty good. "kelso dunes"!

well it's not perfect but weigel's book is really really good. wish it were longer and covered more bands

Supposedly, he was at the King Crimson show last night in Red Bank, NJ, but I didn't see him.

Confirmed

If you’re in NJ, go see King Crimson at @CountBasieThtr tonight at 8! Caught the first show last night and it owned https://t.co/qQPgGJDZqj

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 10, 2017

anyone know of some good funky prog rock break records?

Soft Machine 3 through 6
Trevor Watts Moiré Project--With One Voice
Bill Bruford--Feels Good To Me; Gradually Going Tornado
Brand X--Unorthodox Behaviour
Association PC--Erna Morena; Mama Kuku

Giles Giles and Fripp and McDonald and Giles has some super funky breaks iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UPk3kIr_wA

Actually, the entire "Prague Rock" ep still sounds outstanding.

Haha, I see I made the same comment in this thread 13 years ago.

plastic people of the universe "zacpa" breaks funky

Thoughts on Sunday night's King Crimson show.

Now, see, as a fan of almost everything the band has done, I was very much glad I did not go, since I saw them in 2015 and this line-up and approach seems (more or less) the same. The question remains: if Fripp is so interested in keeping things, well, interesting, then why is this current line-up so (very relatively) restrained? I recall the racket made by the double-trio, or the improvisation of the ProjeKCts ... this/these tours might be playing older stuff, but I still think they're playing it sort of safe.

plastic people of the universe "zacpa" breaks funky

This one always feels like a cool modification of the "Bitches Brew" bassline to me (the one around 3:00). The intervals are different but there's a similar rhythm and feel. Do you know if they commented on whether they were making an intentional allusion?

finished Weigel's good; it's alright but I have a feeling editing butchered the second half. There are blatant mistakes, like he says "belew" when he clearly meant "levin"; he covers a lot of MIck Pointer in Marillion but never mentions his replacement (Ian Mosely), there's a passing reference to Andy Ward but unless you knew they tried him out in between it makes no sense which makes me think something got removed from the text. He also completely skips Gabriel's So, even in passing; but spends a lot of time going over Collins' pop career. Also, zero mention of Kate Bush, who I would have thought warranted some kind of mention. The book basically centers around Fripp and Keith Emerson, which is fine; Fripp comes across as the person who survived all of this with the most integrity, and Emerson (and Lake) is (are) the most tragic figure(s). I'd like to see an expanded manuscript. It's really the stuff that's excluded that is a bit bewildering; very little on the Lamb; no mention of the awfulness of Love Beach. Dunno. wait for the paperback, I suggest.

oh also, he was still working on this through the time that KC 'reuinted' in 2014/2015, I think that would have made a better ending to the book.

Any Saint Just fans? This first album is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpOuPSM3Og

https://www.karismarecords.no/karisma-records-signs-norways-leading-symphonic-proggers-wobbler-album-details-revealed/

Awesome, those dudes are tight

Anyone like Family?

Bought a copy of their album Fearless, mostly because it has multiple diecut levels that fan out really cool

Any I dig em a lot, def prog but from a different, more blues/RnB perspective...um... Hard to pin down I guess, they definitely have chops and get out there but it's not fancy pants or fantasy oriented....I guess Jethro Tull is the closest, but sub the jazz flute for almost Stax gone prog horns, or maybe Blood Sweat & Tears as a heavy prog band. Singer is really something, has that feral quality of Ian Anderson or Peter Hammil

Anyway, interesting group worth checking out. Had some big names pass through their ranks, John Wetton, Ric Grech & Jim Cregan

I've been trying to get people here interested in Family for ages! Are they really a prog band though? They seem pretty unclassifiable to me.

have a really hard time getting into them.

i dig Family. roger chapman is a beast. they're up there for me with Audience, Comus, and (not the NYC one) Spyrogyra in deep woods british yodel folk prog

totally unrelated by prins thomas' remix of dungen's häxan is the hot stuff

I've been trying to get people here interested in Family for ages! Are they really a prog band though? They seem pretty unclassifiable to me.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah...I guess I feel like they are but they def don't fit in a way, but where else do you put them? They are definitely too complex and eccentric to be just another 70s hard rock band

Is Jethro Tull considered prog by most?

yes, jethro tull is prog

also it's always better than you think it's going to be, like the simpsons (but less good than that)

Tom you know I like Family!

actually thick as a brick is about as good as a good simpsons episode and probably contains a similar level of decent satirical humour

oh shit, this actually happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWq6yTcXNo

wanna check out one record each from a.) Patto and B.) Family that shows 'em at respective peaks etc etc…help me ILM…

oh shit, this actually happened

Ha, wow

this isn't 'the best' by any stretch but given what's going down with harvey . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwzSB_Mcr6o

Family Entertainment is very good, and stylistically diverse, although the band had no input on the final track listing or mix. That's the only one I'm familiar (har!) with.

Family - Music In A Doll's House is the one to start with

I started there but I was a little underwhelmed after hearing it's such a classic.
"Mellowing Grey" was totally worth it though, great song.