Len Deighton - ripe for rehabilitation?

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Yes, that's true. I am halfway through Horse Under Water now and absolutely everything has gone wrong.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link

Looking at Winter in the library shop: two brothers, last name Winter, with a German father and American mother (American-born anyway). One goes good, or not as bad as the other, who becomes a Nazi. They both go through both World Wars, I think, and the jacket flap promises lots of immersive detail about life in Germany. Random reading so far is just one of them being ripped a new one by typical drill sgt., will check again on next visit, if it's still there. Anybody read it?

dow, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link

Ha - also reading Deighton right now - started Funeral in Berlin a few days ago, enjoying it, quickly got over my problems with Deighton's writing (see "glib" upthread). He seems like perfect midpoint between Fleming and Le Carre - the action and globe-trotting larkiness of Bond, the grimness and bureaucracy of Smiley, etc.

(I don't like Le Carre, but I always enjoy his bits about how miserable and awful England is - they're the closest he gets to jokes)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 08:55 (six years ago) link

https://spywrite.com/2017/06/28/spy-writers-club/

^^^the day they all met for lunch

(my next rehabilitation in this vein will probably be eric ambler)

mark s, Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link

i think i may have read at least one Elleston Trevor as a teen but i remember nothing

more polls about food and reactionary art (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link

Ambler's an interesting one in that Cause For Alarm, The Mask of Dmitrios and Journey Into Fear all seem to be very well regarded but the rest hardly get the time of day. That might be the doing of Penguin Modern Classics though.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link

I've got a couple of Amblers at home courtesy of my other half's father. Not started either yet but will report back (I'm reading one of those British Library crime thrillers which is at least fast-paced)

André Ryu (Neil S), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link

Epitaph for a Spy and Background to Danger are also good; all the pre-'45 stuff is variations on a theme, really.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link

i love ambler and he can kind of do no wrong, though i'd need to go over titles again to pick out ones that aren't in print but good. he's faster than anyone else i've ever read at setting things up with economy of dialogue, character strokes and scenery that i think should be obligatory study for any writer.

Fizzles, Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link

i sometimes go back and read the beginning of his books and think "you get *here* in *two pages*! how?!"

Fizzles, Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link

Here's the full Amis review mentioned in the Ambler story. Some good catty lines.

http://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/kingsley-amis-licence-to-kill/

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link

Ambler is wonderful: 1940s/50s stuff probably the best, but he doesn't ever lose the magic.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 30 June 2017 03:51 (six years ago) link

Finished Funeral in Berlin - sad to say I found it a bit of a slog, but I'm guessing the things I disliked are the exact things that Deighton's fans love about him: the stop/start plotting, the endless banter, the sense of never really knowing what's happening - it's like the spy version of Turn of the Screw.

Perhaps if all that had been tied to a more enjoyable sentence-writing style, I would've liked it more - but generally I found the prose a bit purple, and the jokey dialogue - although fun at first - sort of relentlessly hits the same larky note throughout. (As everyone else is as much of a wiseass as Harry, he stops standing out.)

THAT SAID I will try another one - first couple of chapters of Berlin Game are promising.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 July 2017 12:39 (six years ago) link

Good writeup here: https://astrofella.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/funeral-in-berlin-len-deighton/

What gives the novel its peculiarly Deightonesque quality, is that the narrator – who holds all the cards ie has his suspicions and is calculating the angles on all the scenarios mentioned above – does not share this knowledge with the reader. In this novel, as in Ipcress, it is only at the very, very end that any kind of order or pattern emerges from the events described, and then only in laconic conversations with his secretary or boss – and even this ‘final roundup’ still leaves holes in the narrative and motivation.

It's those "Deightonesque" qualities that lost me - but I can see why they'd be appealing to another reader.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 July 2017 12:50 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

God help me I kinda want to watch ITV get The Ipcress File wrong

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 February 2022 21:02 (two years ago) link

They should have remade it with Dennis Pennis as Palmer.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Monday, 7 February 2022 21:25 (two years ago) link

Who's the little twerp playing Harry Palmer?

Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 7 February 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link

The Michael Caine cosplay is a groaner

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 7 February 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Didn't realise until now that Deighton drew and designed the cover for the first UK edition of On the Road

https://rarebooksleuth.com/collections/beats/products/on-the-road-jack-kerouac-first-u-k-edition-first-printing

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 June 2022 14:18 (one year ago) link

ffs

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 June 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/f3Yzqvw.png

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 June 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link

hahaha

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 June 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/f3Yzqvw.png

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 June 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link

:-)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 June 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link

... signed too!

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link


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