what are barack obama's flaws?

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definitely call it the American FP thread

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

for the love of god if you really must do that revive an existing thread, having a new dedicated trump thread is bad enough

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh good this should be edifying

Mordy, Saturday, 24 June 2017 17:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

j0rda not otm

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:13 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you guys are missing the point

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:33 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 24 June 2017 21:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

still tough to get over this but hey, nobody's perfect ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In 2011, the former Republican chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Christopher "Kit" Bond, told me: "It's not the intelligence committee that fails to understand the problem. It's the Obama administration."

"The president seemed as angry at Mueller for wanting to arrest the illegals and at Panetta for wanting to exfiltrate the source from Moscow as he was at the Russians," Gates wrote. He quoted Obama as saying: "Just as we're getting on track with the Russians, this? This is a throwback to the Cold War. This is right out of John le Carré. We put START, Iran, the whole relationship with Russia at risk for this kind of thing?" Gates recounts that the vice president wanted to ignore the entire issue because it threatened to disrupt an upcoming visit from Russia's president at the time, Dmitry Medvedev.

Even after Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Obama policy toward Russian aggression was inconsistent. As Foreign Policy magazine reported in May, Obama's State Department slow-rolled a proposal from the U.S. Mission to the United Nations to lay out a set of options to punish Russia's client Syria for its use of chlorine bombs against its own citizens in 2014. Russia and the U.S. forged the agreement in 2013 to remove chemical weapons from the country. In 2015, the Obama administration did nothing to deter Russia from establishing air bases inside Syria...

All of this is the context of Putin's decision to boldly interfere in the 2016 U.S. elections. Perhaps Putin would have authorized the operation even if Obama had responded more robustly to Russia's earlier dirty tricks and foreign adventures. But it's easy to understand why Putin would believe he had a free shot. Russia probed American resolve for years. When Obama finally did respond, it was too late to save Ukraine and too late to protect our election.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-27/obama-choked-on-russia-long-before-the-2016-election

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:10 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

ICYMI

"(This) paper finds that while President Obama had wide discretion and appropriated funds to relieve homeowners caught in the economic crisis, the policy design his administration chose for his housing program was a disaster. Instead of helping homeowners, at every turn the administration was obsessed with protecting the financial system — and so homeowners were left to drown.

"As a result, the percentage of black homeowners who were underwater on their mortgage exploded 20-fold from 2007 to 2013."

http://peoplespolicyproject.org/2017/12/07/destruction-of-black-wealth-during-the-obama-presidency/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 December 2017 17:07 (two months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

obama fetishism is even more loathesome now than it was pre-trump

marcos, Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:27 (one month ago) Permalink

you're right, it's disgusting when we have such an excellent current president

crüt, Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Presidents need to be measured by the yardstick of all the other presidents who preceded or followed them. The job is unlike most any other job and places peculiar burdens and demands upon the people who seek and fill the office. You can't measure them accurately by comparing them to some unicorn that exists only in your imagination, which will never appear in real life, no matter how long you live. Within the framework of the U.S. presidency, Obama perhaps doesn't make the top five list, but he easily makes the top ten.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:45 (one month ago) Permalink

what kind of yardstick do you own?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:48 (one month ago) Permalink

(top twenty for sure)

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:48 (one month ago) Permalink

i see your moral relativism and 'unicorn' bullshit, Aimless, and fuck it, along with Obama

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 04:29 (one month ago) Permalink

mass murderers tend to ruin the grading curve

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 28 December 2017 04:37 (one month ago) Permalink

morbs, ranking presidents relative to one another is, by definition an exercise in relativism. the job of president has such vast ramifications upon so many millions, for both good and ill, often due to the same decision, that moral purity is not an option. if you ever had the misfortune to find yourself doing the job, you'd not only be thoroughly miserable, but, unless you were paralyzed by moral indecision, you'd do some amount of irreparable harm each time you tried to do some indisputable good, and therefore become a pariah to yourself.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 December 2017 06:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Sliding scale relativism, civilian drone deaths and "hilarious" comedy Caribbean accents aside, his current guise as benevolent billionaire with much hypocritical + platitudinous drivel + smugness to impart to us mere mortals - his global fan club of course, makes him an even worse example of a presumptuous + arrogant twat than Blair.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 11:47 (one month ago) Permalink

these people pursue the job relentlessly, Aimless, and hence are sociopaths by definition

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 13:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Sociopaths get good things signed into law too. We know this.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 14:50 (one month ago) Permalink

"You're too hip baby, I can't carry you anymore"

"Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 28 December 2017 15:03 (one month ago) Permalink

don't ask me to love em

peace out

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 15:13 (one month ago) Permalink

there are maybe three presidents better than obama and that's pushing it

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:53 (one month ago) Permalink

No one here wants to grab a micro brew with Bam, for god's sake.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd totally grab a micro brew with him

Moodles, Thursday, 28 December 2017 19:25 (one month ago) Permalink

i dunno he seems busy

i wouldn't wanna waste his time

j., Thursday, 28 December 2017 19:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Seems like a potentially awkward situation. "Sorry Barry, I have to turn down this highly imaginary invitation to grab some beers because I think you have more important things to do with your time." I think he'd be bummed.

Moodles, Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

that looks like a very un-fun and contrived liquid lunch, would definitely pass on an event like that.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:15 (one month ago) Permalink

plus the beer looks like shit beer

Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

and Biden's drinking near beer!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I can take the shit beer all day long, just not the shit people!

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:19 (one month ago) Permalink

good beer makes shit people more survivable

Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:21 (one month ago) Permalink

how many Mafia dons are better than Obama, J.D.?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Mafia dons don't get the poor subsidized health care or the Lily Ledbetter Act sighed. Man, you are so tedious about this -- it's like you can't imagine people can have complicated reactions to things other than Spielberg joints.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

they do kill people they don't know, however

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

tho usually not children

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

I had a complicated reaction to at least one Spielberg joint.

Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

It would get expensive to put a bullet in the head of every sick person in America, it's true

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:33 (one month ago) Permalink

lol @ calzino piling on for no reason

El Tomboto, Thursday, 28 December 2017 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

I try to stay out of US politics, but he invaded my space on the radio the other morning. There are plenty of other reasons to pile on Obama, other than he seems a loathsome person tbf.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:06 (one month ago) Permalink

This a purpose built Obama's Faults thread as well.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:09 (one month ago) Permalink

idk, as faults go, "seeming loathsome to calzino" rates as pretty marginal.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:14 (one month ago) Permalink

well the accelerated use of drone strikes on civilians that he signed off on is pretty loathsome to anybody who isn't a brainwashed apologist.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:17 (one month ago) Permalink

for a start.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:18 (one month ago) Permalink

I think you might be confused about what the job is that he held for 8 years. But I’m not getting into this with you, my attitudes regarding the legitimacy of the state’s use of lethal violence and espionage are all over the place

El Tomboto, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, you'd think he'd at least ask them to change the name 'Drone Strikes on Civilians' to something a bit less conspicuous.

Frederik B, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:32 (one month ago) Permalink

He personally changed the rules of engagement, which led to escalating civilian deaths during his presidency, there is no Bama-splaining or bullshit sophistry that gets him a free pass from that.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:33 (one month ago) Permalink

That's part of his legacy and he can wear to it to the fucking grave.

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:37 (one month ago) Permalink

xps Are you saying that Obama signed off on drone strikes solely against civilians? As in, "Let's forget about killing soldiers or military leaders; let's just kill off some civilians as our military objective and see if that helps"? Or would you say the motive that lead to the action maybe a bit more complex than that?

This no doubt counts as apologetics in your view, but my point is not that killing civilians is trivial, but that your characterization of his action was not complete, and the omission was significant. It is easy, once you've arrived at a judgment, to distort facts to eliminate any which tend to run counter to your opinion. If you've ever been the target of such distortions of your actions or motives, you may perhaps recognize the unfairness of doing the same to others.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:43 (one month ago) Permalink

He personally changed the rules of engagement, which led to escalating civilian deaths during his presidency, there is no Bama-splaining or bullshit sophistry that gets him a free pass from that.

― calzino, 28. december 2017 22:33 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's part of his legacy and he can wear to it to the fucking grave.

― calzino, 28. december 2017 22:37 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Except it's not really true, though, is it?

Frederik B, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:54 (one month ago) Permalink

The Drone PPG is from 2013, after the escalation. Or are you talking about something else?

Frederik B, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:58 (one month ago) Permalink

I already stated that he changed the rules of engagement that rendered the killing of civilians quite a trivial matter under his watch, thus me saying his laissez faire drone strikes are a major part of his legacy. You're all fucking crazy tbh!

calzino, Thursday, 28 December 2017 21:58 (one month ago) Permalink


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