Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

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a longer adaptation isn't the answer because a big part of what makes the comic special is that the content is inextricably bound up with the form

this is all that needs to be said tbh. I guess it needs to be said repeatedly and loudly though.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link

I think Mark S has a point about Moore. At this point Watchmen is such trodden-over-territory, I would distrust *anyone* who wanted to adapt it - great book, but it's not a very interesting choice for adaptation, y'know? I'd feel the same about someone who wanted to adapt 100 Yrs of Solitude, or Captain Corelli's Mandolin or whatnot.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:07 (six years ago) link

fuck this, where is the Camelot 3000 adaptation

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link

would watch

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link

could see the racial and gender stuff providing some good content in current climate

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link

I'm really surprised there's never been a Top 10 series adaptation, "cop show in superhero town" sells itself.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link

certainly a better, more open-ended premise than Watchmen.

can't imagine Moore being ok with option-ing it though

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link

bizarro once again preemptively voiced my exact response, re: Simon's 'sacred text' post.

My feelings about The Leftovers basically mirror those I might have about an ex-friend who I'm glad to hear is doing well now but who I think I'm going to still keep at arm's length after that thing he did that one time before he cleaned up his act. I'm still paying off the damages and apologizing to the neighbors.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link

I'm really surprised there's never been a Top 10 series adaptation, "cop show in superhero town" sells itself.

after the stunning non-success of powers I doubt anyone will be in a hurry to adapt it, although I agree it has a lot of potential as a TV show

I'm really surprised there's never been a Top 10 series adaptation, "cop show in superhero town" sells itself.
I'm really surprised there's never been a Top 10 series adaptation, "cop show in superhero town" sells itself.

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link

I've said it before, but Sandman Mystery Theatre would be my number one choice for a comics-to-TV adaptation.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link

people are mostly mad at Lost because of the last season, two seasons at most, right? cause the only reason people are *still* mad about all that is because there were quite a few good bits before that, which is maybe worth noting. (and, I daresay, some good stuff even amidst the muck.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link

It's easy to blame the last season, but the entire series was a con and the last season was just us marks slowly realizing what we'd bought as the con men made their way to the next town.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link

lol I guess that's one way to watch TV

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:49 (six years ago) link

I've said it before, but /Sandman Mystery Theatre/ would be my number one choice for a comics-to-TV adaptation.

an hbo judge dredd with a game of thrones budget would be mine

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link

I could've rolled with it if they were honest about the shaggy dog nature of the show rather than insisting at every opportunity that they DEFINITELY knew what they were doing, and OH MAN you won't believe how this all ties together, prepare to have your mind BLOWED.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

bizarro! Had you not heard? There's a Mega City One show in development, possibly at Netflix, possibly with Karl Urban reprising his role as Dredd! You're welcome.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

*choke*

old lunch i love u

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link

okay that could rule (only Netflix's extremely lax quality control has me concerned)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link

yeah not sure why people would assume this would be bad. the movie wasn't too hot. there is more in the comic than comfortably fits in 2 1/2 hours; the movie was both overstuffed and felt overly long and turgid while still not covering all the ground of the comic. a 10 hour pace would suit this just great.

akm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link

Not so much 'this will be bad' as 'just...why?'.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link

(I mean besides that whole 'making $$$ for a bunch of people excepting the dudes who actually created it' thing.)

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link

enh, i'll throw my hat in the ring and predict this will be bad

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link

I guess I feel slightly more optimistic about this than when it was rumored to be a Zack Snyder project, but it's really just the difference between being anesthetized before having all of your teeth removed vs. having someone smash them out with a length of pipe. The end result is still gonna be sucky and toothless.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link

mainly i'm just psyched to find out what superheroes would be like if they existed in the real world

makes u think

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link

"Not so much 'this will be bad' as 'just...why?'."

because the movie was boring and the story could make a good visual experience?

akm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:47 (six years ago) link

Not so much 'this will be bad' as 'just...why?'.

if it won't be bad... why not

Obv there should be a moratorium on cape stuff & I won't watch this

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link

"Not so much 'this will be bad' as 'just...why?'."

because the movie was boring and the story could make a good visual experience?

it made a good visual experience in 1986 and still does today tbf

total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link

but what if the pictures... moved

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link

Is there something more objectionable about this being adapted than an ordinary novel?

jmm, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link

I am interested in the "lindelof is good now" narrative, so many people I trust are raving about the leftovers

tbf i basically took the "lindelof is bad" narrative on faith because afaik I haven't seen anything he's written except for Prometheus (which is v v bad for sure)

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

yes as bizarro and others have detailed repeatedly

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

the novel-analogy would have to draw correspondences to a novel about novels, that also takes advantage of the unique physical properties of books and structured, written narratives (first paragraph would have to be identical to the last paragraph etc.)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

feel like metafiction has been adapted to other media before

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link

also adaptations have maybe been good without doing the exact same thing the original did

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link

Cloud Atlas (the film) sucked btw

has anyone ever filmed Hopscotch

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link

best ex I can think of is Cronenberg's "Naked Lunch", which is more like a biopic of a specific period in Burroughs life overlaid w fantasy sequences than an adaptation of the book

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link

somewhat similarly: The Orchid Thief -> Adaptation

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link

anyway my main point was that Watchmen is not equivalent to "an ordinary novel" and thus presents a different set of problems re: adaptation (which I, obviously, don't think can be fully overcome)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link

If someone was really going to run with the adaptation and stay true to the *spirit* of the source material, they would make a meta-movie about superhero movies that doesn't reference the original book at all

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link

best ex of the first thing or the second? Xps

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link

Cock & bull story another imo successful example of a film adaptation of a self-referential novel

As far as good adaptations that don't keep to the spirit of the original but are in dialogue with it nonetheless, too many to list tbh

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link

re: Naked Lunch, I was referring to this

adaptations have maybe been good without doing the exact same thing the original did

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link

the shining, dr strangelove, ok maybe just all Kubrick films lol

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

haha otm

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link

One weird trick turn everything into a comedy

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

But I mean it shouldn't be necessary to list examples for you to conceive of the possibility

more like matthew badlose (wins), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

oh it's possible, but it isn't the most common course for adaptations, and certainly jackasses like Lindelof and Snyder aren't capable of it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link

I would watch an Adaptation-esque Watchmen show that's all about a fictionalized Lindelof wrecking the entire endeavor.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link

Hopefully with an episode centered around a fictionalized Moore breaking into the HBO offices to beat him senseless.

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link

'Forget about who's watching the Watchmen, Lindelof, and start worrying about who's watching your ass!'

I Love It When They Call Me Big Pharma (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link


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