brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

Hi five mark

otm

BoJo is having a shocker on PM

Only fit for the knacker's yard these days.

I don't listen to R4 any more - some details?

my dn otm

I'm trying do link of it Suzy, but for some reason it won't let me copy link address. Just google Boris on PM and there is a link to it. He had multiple brainfreezes and can't even wing it anymore with the celebrated* Borisisms. Poor Diane got crucified for much less.

LISTEN: When it come to car crash interviews, this is going take some beating. Boris Johnson is all over the place. Future PM? #HavingALaugh pic.twitter.com/135R4nMVB1

— EL4C (@EL4JC) June 21, 2017

Unfortunately that cuts off a bit short, shortly after that clip Mair says to him: "Its not a Two Ronnies sketch you can't answer the question before last."

that's in there!

oops I thought it had missed it, this heat and humidity is killing me.

and it's goodbye from him

He and Eddie Mair have previous: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/mar/24/boris-johnson-interview-eddie-mair

eddie mair is just the best

Sat in a pub and the only other person here is our former tory mp who lost a 4000 majority the other week to labour lol

play him the boris interview, it might cheer him up

another car crash from boris on channel 4 news too. awful

crikey, wasn't as bad as the one above though

Pity they didn't use him more during the GE campaign.

The labour mp is in a relationship with my friends mum so I've invited them all down

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqz6H0Crbm8

full bojo for the masochists out there

The very vague "fixing the internet" thing the tories keep pushing. Its like they're offering to turn it off and on again for us.

"also lol bastani is on the moral maze this eve so the rolodexes are at least updating a little"

jeez, there were some real fucking charmers on this tonight. I don't even know who Bastani is - but ftr I only listened to about a quarter of it and thought they all sounded like appalling arseholes.

“I’m very sad that people have lost their homes, but there are a lot of people here who have bought flats and will now see the values drop. It will degrade things. And it opens up a can of worms in the housing market.”
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/outrage-as-luxury-flat-residents-complain-rehomed-grenfell-families-will-lower-house-prices-a3570331.html

god i wasn't suggesting anyone listen to it, it's the moral maze, it's literally the worst programme ever devised or made!

Oh I knew it wasn't a recc. I just lead a very exciting life.

I'm loving the type of reactions this 1917 style action is producing, beautiful!

One woman, who bought her flat two years ago, told the Guardian: “We paid a lot of money to live here, and we worked hard for it.

“Now these people are going to come along, and they won’t even be paying the service charge.”

this is like Mozart's piano concerto no. 24 to me.

if these cunts wanted to avoid service charges they should have had the forethought and presence of mind to lose their belongings, friends and family after getting caught up a catastrophic fire

since they didn't, they can shut the fuck up

These flats were apparently always to be social housing, so all their wailing is double bollocks. But such sweet sounding double bollocks. Er

Extra public money has been found to fit out the flats more quickly

Good ol' regular money tree.

"Now these people are going to come along"

I think the Goebbelesque subtext there is "crawl like cockroaches"

"on their pogo sticks.."

“This country is fucked,” one senior Tory said. “We are tethered to the mast of Brexit and when it goes wrong we’re screwed. They all know it. All Labour have to do is hedge their bets. When the public realize they have been sold a pup they will turn on the party.”

http://www.politico.eu/article/battered-and-bruised-theresa-may-limps-into-enemy-territory

the piss weak schadenfreude of watching johnson flounder is not enough to endear me to the obsession of interviewers like eddie mair with trying to make politicians look incompetent, as if memorising enough pertinent details to be able to deflect/drown these sorts of questions is what anyone wants from politicians.

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I too detest the memory-test style of political interview but I think eddie mair was just demonstrating the complete lack of policy following the tories' reduced minority - there wasn't an answer for which boris johnson was searching other than "nothing" he was just trying to blather and obfuscate rather than give that answer

I don't hear much of Eddie Mair but I don't think he's by any means a standard issue Paxbot like 90% of interviewers seem to be these days.

Basically, apart from Evan Davies, they're all garbage.

Hammond is determined to use his newfound influence to shape Brexit — softening it at the edges with a long, smooth transition to an eventual clean break.

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Krishnan Guru-Murthy's been good lately.

Never thought he was much use but, to be fair, I don't watch Channel 4 News much these days.

it's the implicit esteem that it gives to smooth, rational discourse which is what irks, the studied calm, the pretensions of objectivity, the idea that's how we want politicians to perform. it has the atmosphere of the hostile job interviews in the apprentice, helping the public to find the manager who can give the slickest & neatest presentation. holding people to account on their own terms can be useful to prick pomposity (which is ofc what makes for hot content) but challenging those terms is more important

the obsession of interviewers like eddie mair with trying to make politicians look incompetent, as if memorising enough pertinent details to be able to deflect/drown these sorts of questions is what anyone wants from politicians

i don't think this is fair. eddie mair wasn't demanding facts or figures. he was just saying, whatever happened to theresa may's supposed concern with racial injustice? with concern about access to a good education? do you want eddie mair to challenge that concern? i think they were good concerns to supposedly have! boris is a frontbencher and supposed to be leadership material. he should have something to say about race, something to say about education. that's all that was being asked of him.

obv this is as sympathetic an example as I am likely to find but still, it's little more than a work appraisal seeing how you've met your targets. there are lots of ways of doing that without the performative aloofness. disingenuity can be challenged head on rather than drawn out for viral humiliation. it's important to challenge on details but also to be able to join the dots together to demonstrate bigger points. evan davies does at least advocate alternative positions, some sort of dialectic is important or the discussion is purely destructive

Boris hasn't succeeded as a politician for his achievements or his ability to get things done, but for his public persona. If Mair is able to shred it so easily and quickly in that great interview I am personally fine with it.

the savage take downs aren't a real corrective because they sitll appeal to people's worst instincts & don't really help anyone figure out what they think about any issues, just keeps it about characters

to some extent it's important to keep it about characters tho - if the people in charge of taking care of those issues are dumb as a bag of hammers or liars or otherwise untrustworthy then the public have a right to know

I think interviews are v limited as assessments of intelligence bc of the biases I mentioned upthread in how they are presented. would also question this notion of stupidity which is rife in all the least edifying corners of the internet. people can inflict tremendous misery & injustice but appearing foolish is what will finally do for them