I demand they address this on their podcast, and not just with a "well it's hard for millenials to find good jobs" aside
― mh, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
lulled by the siren song of matt and felix's nasal honks
― epilate your teeth (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link
listening to latest episode and i wonder why they even had the guest, they're just talking over her
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 15:53 (six years ago) link
The Mensch stuff kind of felt a good three or four months late. I have the impression she queered her own pitch by going after BLM and has been less prominent since, though I may be wrong.
Either way, given that Buzzfeed is on a jag of posting articles by Serious Investigative Journalists implying Theresa May and the British establishment are effectively playing accessory after the fact to Kremlin hit squads knocking off English scientists, and others, there are bigger things to worry about.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
When did she go after BLM? Because she's been most prominent (or was most prominent) around the time she had that NYTimes russian hacking piece
― mh, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
i really liked this episode, i know too many people that are susceptible to Russia Derangement Syndrome and i think they did a good job debunking and explaining all that nonsense. can't remember if i've already posted this yet
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
it may be late but the Mensch's Theodore Herzl self own is all time
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
April, though - yes - she was probably already on a downward spiral by that point.
http://www.snopes.com/blm-ferguson-russia/
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
so have any of these dudes commented on twitter or in the podcast (I'm slipshod in my listening) on this mess?https://www.upguard.com/breaches/the-rnc-files
tl;dr version is that the republican groups who were doing voter research, modeling, and targeting had a large portion of their voter demographic and interest data on an amazon s3 bucket that they completely failed to secure. it was wide open, no one has determined for how long, and if a security researcher was able to find it, then who knows what malevolent interests were
I'm also trying to figure out how many state laws they violated in different places -- data on voter registration, party affiliation, and what elections they have voted in is usually released by states only to political parties and outreach groups under strict guidelines about how they can use the data and who they can share it with
― mh, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
Didn't that story break yesterday? I assume they'll cover it in the next episode.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
I was mildly amused because both @fart and @bro_pair work at the company publishing this
― mh, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
Digging this:----Listening to Dead Pundits Society (Ep. 16: What is Class and Why Does It Matter? w/ Vivek Chibber)
Tune in to learn why socialists are obsessed with "Class" and why it makes no sense to position class *against* forms of oppression like racism and sexism in capitalist society. Vivek Chibber, professor of sociology at NYU and co-editor of Catalyst: A Journal of Theory and Strategy, joins me to break down these matters and much more
https://soundcloud.com/deadpundits/ep-16-what-is-class-and-why-does-it-matter-w-vivek-chibber
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
I like everything about DPS except for the host. the guests are pretty reliably great
def thinking about subscribing to champagne sharks
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
the thing about cast hosting is that it's actually pretty hard to not suck at it
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
Lol that reddit post is almost word-for-word how they've described their own fans
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
Who says they don't respond to constructive criticism:
We taking the pod in a bold new direction 🔄 pic.twitter.com/TLpCrupwyP— Will 🐋 Menaker (@willmenaker) June 21, 2017
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
felix might have the biggest mismatch between voice and physique in human history
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
yeah that's right i'm calling u out mike tyson
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
Interview with Angela Nagle:-This Is Hell! | Down with people: How cultural elitism went mainstream.
https://thisishell.com/interviews/956-angela-nagle
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 23 June 2017 00:20 (six years ago) link
Matt's primer on the Sewer Socialists was really neat!
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 23 June 2017 00:23 (six years ago) link
xpost Have you bought her book? I haven’t yet.
― the ghost of markers, Friday, 23 June 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link
I borrowed it from someone. It's good but makes me despair for the lack of copy editing in the independent press.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 23 June 2017 00:50 (six years ago) link
copy editing is fucked everywhere. i see numerous typos everyday in the NYT, WaPo, P4k, Rolling Stone, SPIN, etc.
― flappy bird, Friday, 23 June 2017 01:42 (six years ago) link
I liked her book
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 23 June 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
seriously, i've never seen more glaring errors in any book than nagle's - there's one chapter in particular where the text keeps misspelling pat buchanan's surname as 'buchannan', including in the chapter title. as someone cursed with an uncanny ability to spot a spelling mistake from 500 yeards, it drove me fucking nuts
still enjoyed it overall, tho. the alarming familiarity of most of the examples she cites was a real warning sign that i need to spend less time hate-reading stuff on the internet, however
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 June 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
and of course there's a typo in my sentence about typos
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXculuPCIAACaP8.jpg
― total eclipse of the beefheart (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 June 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
This is published by Zero isn't it? Lot of their stuff is poorly copy edited.
― The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 23 June 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
It is- ha ha ha- Nagl though
― The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 23 June 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
I just signed up for the Patreon thing. If I want to listen to all episodes of Trapo, do I need to sign up for their regular, free feed too? Looks like it.
― the ghost of markers, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
Yeah, the Patreon feed is a separate RSS thing from the regular
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:51 (six years ago) link
Thanks! I’m all set up. :-)
― the ghost of markers, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
WW review was predictable but satisfying
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
Listening to one of these eliminastionists call for a return of Lenin's "philosopher ships" to get rid of dissident intellectuals, I find myself losing much respect for anyone who champions Chapo.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 12:55 (six years ago) link
dunno what episode you're talking about but p sure most of Chapo's leninist insurrection shit is a goof
it's true the kidding-not-kidding style has lead to a shit ton of poisonous discourse across the political spectrum in recent years but being goof-free makes ppl more insufferable still
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
Most of what they say is supposedly a "goof" but there's so much bile in their voices,it's pretty plain what they think.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:21 (six years ago) link
I think the line of thinking that demands the exile to outer space of traitors like Chait in order for the socialist paradise to be born is pretty up its own ass.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:23 (six years ago) link
Oh, come on. There's bile because their hate for the pundit class is real but that's as far as it goes.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:24 (six years ago) link
i think it's entirely possible to hate the likes of chait with a sincere and burning passion and y'know not actually seriously believe he and his ilk should be exiled to the phantom zone
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
And anyway they spend just as much time being fascinated by the individual psychologies of said pundits as anything else, they'd be bored silly without them
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:27 (six years ago) link
UK politics thread talks about purges/heads on pikes like every other day!
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link
ilx has numerous rip threads for public figures who aren't dead but i doubt many of us are actually wishing death on david brooks
well okay maybe david brooks is a bad example now that i think about it but the point still stands
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link
you guys are enablers
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
away and have a nice lie down
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to this every so often on Soundcloud -- more out of fascination with the idea of a podcast this hyper-referential and absorbed in Twitternalia than out of any real appreciation for what they do. I agree with their politics, broadly, in that I agree that progressive politics needs to be rooted in the struggle of the working class, but you know, me and every other millennial with a graduate degree working an hourly wage.
Anyway, the "philosopher ships" joke is indefensible and emblematic of why they suck. It's not that they are actual Leninists, it's that they are incredibly smug and flippant and live in a mental world of caricatures, which is convenient because it means you never have to take anyone else's positions seriously. They are a product of social media and an emblem of "what's wrong" -- or at least one of the things that's wrong -- and this is obvious to me even though I'm on "their side" in most things.
― Treeship, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
fuckin hyperbole, how does it work
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:39 (six years ago) link
idk I think they've been pretty good at taking the arguments worth taking seriously seriously, though this tends to happen moreso on podcasts w/ good guests
I don't like the idea of ceding irreverence to the right. inflammatory language is fun and the pundit class will be fine.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
I follow a lot of far-lefties on Twitter, some pro- and some anti- (or indifferent to) Chapo, and I get that the humor turns off a certain segment, but vulgarity is also an effective hook for a lot of people. oppression and the ideologues who espouse it (directly or indirectly) couches its cruelty in polite language and pointing that out in inverse language can be cathartic.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
yeah, i don't recognise treesh's characterisation of them at all tbh
i think they take their positions very seriously, and recognise the threat that right-wing policies and to a lesser extent woolly liberal thinking poses to the kind of world they want to see created, but I guess if you don't think mockery of patently ridiculous beliefs in the ruling/pundit classes is an acceptable or necessary response then chapo might not be for you I guess
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
fwiw there have been plenty of good recommendations here that don't rely on Chapo-y theatrics or vulgarity but are still fun / not completely po-faced
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 July 2017 13:53 (six years ago) link
I guess if you don't think mockery of patently ridiculous beliefs in the ruling/pundit classes is an acceptable or necessary response then chapo might not be for you I guess
yeah man, this is totally about wanting to protect the ruling class, and not at all about finding har-dee-har maybe we would be better off if we put killed everyone with glasses- style jokes a bad look for leftist dudes to be rocking.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link